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Comentario de
Clan
Este logro parese dificil pero no lo es tanto, como recomendacion daria que se apresuren a sacarlos en los primeros dias ya que la gente no se dedica a luchar normalmente en los bg y solo les importa tomar la bandera y en muchos casos se salen luego de lograrlo, como casi no se estan defendiendo las bases y la gente solo quiere sacar su logro la dinamica de bg se pierde y pocos realmente se dedican al la batalla, entre los 4 el mas complicado por eso es el de warsong/garganta porque pocos intentaran tomar banderas ya que tendran al grupo enemigo ensima.
Comentario de
Gourmet
Madre mía, si ya de normal los campos están llenos de pveros desnudos, con estos logros da todavía más pena entrar. Eso sí, luego no entres con equipo pvp a una maz que te montan un cristo de flipar x-D
Comentario de
Evelynne
Yo tenía pensado hacerlos con un pj de nivel bajo, ya que suele haber menos gente en las bgs, son más novatillos y no tienen equipo de pvp, pero ojo, ya que los campos de batalla a niveles bajos no están totalmente desbloqueados... Va a ser difícil conseguir este logro vaya _ _"
Comentario de
Clan
Para que se rian un rato aqui les dejo un comic de la pagina de battle.net muy adecuando para el logro XD
http://media.blizzard.com/wow/media/comics/comic-2011-06-01-full.jpg
Comentario de
bebita
Escuela de buenos golpes:
http://youtu.be/2OdRELtu_-Y
Instrucciones del Logro
-Tener un silbato de huérfano
-Siempre tener a nuestro huérfano con nosotros, pues no lo contaran si no lo llevamos a las batallas.
-No usar artilugios, pues si llevas la bandera y usas alguno, automaticamente tiras la bandera :_(
Comentarios
Comentario de
32ndShadowwind
Wait, we're teaching our poor orphans violence? /evil giggle
Comentario de
Quelion
it's a hard knock life for us
it's a hard knock life for us
instead of treated we get tricked
Comentario de
AxelF
Would Returning a dropped flag be possible if u lets say "drop" the flag by right clicking its buff and picking it up again?...of couse not when ur under attack by heaps of horde
Comentario de
shadowaninja
That's not returning a flag, that's picking up the enemies flag. Returning the flag means clicking on YOUR flag after the enemy has dropped it.
Comentario de
Linithia
For a rogue, the only hard one is returning the flag.
Comentario de
Elobelia
The one I'm worried about most is the EOTS one. I'm not all that great at PVP so this achievement is probably going to be the one big one keeping me from getting the proto-drake next year. Hopefully it won't be as hard as it looks to me right now though. I would feel better if it was "complete one of the tasks below" instead of all. But I guess I'm just a carebear.
Comentario de
Veb112
I agree. It might be like the A Mask For All Occasions achievement though, it might be changed when May comes around. Hopefully.
Comentario de
Spydernights
I seriously hope so. Assaulting the flag or returning a flag is hard enough in BGs, this will make it a nightmare.
Even if they don't completely eliminate it, change it to "Complete a battle in each battleground" or something similar.
Comentario de
Euripedes
Perhaps the achievement should be changed to a multiple tier affair, similar to how the "Medium Rare" to "Bloody Rare" achievement works.
School of Hard Knocks - complete Arathi Basin, Alterac Valley, Eye of the Storm and Warsong Gulch.
Then, have the second tier be this current achievement, and call it "School of Very Hard Knocks" or something.
Comentario de
immalek
Is anybody else suddenly imagining a mad dash to the stables/farm on Arathi Basin followed by a mass quit by everybody didn't get there first.
Comentario de
zhenton
I wonder if you don't necessarily have to get the goal yourself, but just be around when it does. I know some quests work that way. I guess we won't know for sure until closer to the actual date.
Comentario de
Linithia
As a rogue, the only hard one is the assaulting an AB flag. Stealth to a base in AV and cap it with your orphan out. Easy. Stealth by flag and cap it when you get the chance, summoning your orphan before you do. Easy. To whoever said returning the WSG flag is the only hard one for rogues, I don't know why its hard to simply beat up the guy with the flag and click it when it drops.
Comentario de
Groundlord
Why does Blizzard keep doing this to us? We shouldn't HAVE to do PvP just to get something from an Achievement. Believe it or not, some of us either aren't good at PvP or just flat-out don't like it; forcing us to do it is just cruel.
Why not make it so that you only have to do so many of the Achievements to get the larger one, instead of having to do all of them? Like for Children's Week, you have to do 6/7 of the Achievements to complete
For the Children
.
Comentario de
YesIPlayWow
Perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of the word "Achievement"
Comentario de
32ndShadowwind
Is anybody else considering BG premades for this one?
Comentario de
grzywa
My immediate imagination was the mass dumb flag rush on EotS and histeric yelling: "leave flag, cap towers" on /bg.
Basically, this achievement will make pvpers witness lemming-like behaviour by ppl wanting to get it.
Comentario de
BattleFreak
Just like when Winter Veil was going on. Alot of people would leave a BG if they lost their costume.
Comentario de
dwarfington
I seriously hope that the actions required for the achievement are accredited by presence, and not by action, like a killing quest.
Comentario de
Droow
Some people don't like PvE or aren't good at it yet there is a pve requirement for the Children's Week Tier, so quit whining.
Comentario de
cryptoengineer
I think this will be the one that stops a lot of achievement junkies dead in their tracks. There are a *lot* of players out there who have no skill or interest in PvP. These goals are hard, and unfortunately, some classes and specs have a huge advantages over others.
If you want that Violet Nether Drake, you'd better re-gear, re-spec, and practice, practice, practice. Luckily, there's a long gap between the Valentine's Day event, and this one.
Comentario de
kaze950
I really hope blizzard changes this achievement.
I can understand having to win a BG. But to have to actually return a fallen flag or capture a flag? Not to mention your other team mates will probably want the achievement as well. It will just lead to a lot of people %^&*ed off. Especially if you are in a lousy battlegroup.
Plus you might be playing a class that isn't preferable for capturing a flag.
Comentario de
agni1
im surprised that nobody has said this already but this is obviously a reference to to the song "school of hard knocks" from POD which was used as the sound track of the movie "Little Nicky"
song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nShEvHSuNAo
movie:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Nicky_(film)
edit: just copy paste the whole wiki url it wont accept the (film) part in it for some reason
Comentario de
WoolFever
Here's hoping that someone in the raid group doing these count... otherwise it's going to be one %^&*! of an achievement.
Comentario de
Kerrianne
I for one am tired of the PvP requirements in a lot of these achievements.
I think this will be the one that stops a lot of achievement junkies dead in their tracks. There are a *lot* of players out there who have no skill or interest in PvP. These goals are hard, and unfortunately, some classes and specs have a huge advantages over others.
Insanely true. I'm probably going to have to scream at some guildies to do pre-mades, because some are not achievement junkies and many, MANY others despise PvP.
What irks me most of all is that I play on a Normal realm, specifically because I don't like PvP. I realize that no one's twisting my arm to participate, but why is it that we have to be forced into PvP in order to do an achievement?
For anyone that says I don't HAVE to do it, you're right. I also don't have to do many things, but I'd like to be able to get the full course of play on a Normal server, too. Installing an achievement system that stuffs PvP down our throats in order to get a combat-useless reward? Not cool.
Comentario de
Vaerlin
I cannot see how ANYONE who actually likes to PvP appreciating these achievements. While they encourage participation in PvP, and possibly require small amounts of coordination, none of them are really hard with a premade, and only seem to ruin whatever BG you're doing.
Ex: Fool for Love: Half your group runs to the BS, stops right across the bridge (doesn't go to flag), pities a love fool and /afk out. The half of the people actually interested in a good AB game just got it ruined.
You have to PvE for the achievements, so PvP requirements are also reasonable. But these PvP requirements encourage BAD BG techniques.
For these achievements:
AB: Yay, let's encourage flag defense contributing to the win even less.
EotS: See above.
AV: See above.
WG: Let's all turtle in our base so we all get the achievement.
Just require a win. Or that an event happens while you're playing. Like ONE flag capture for the team in WG, or three-4 areas controlled for at once in AB, etc...
Comentario de
Daesor
Step 1:
Advertise in Trade or Guild (preferably the latter) that you are forming a
School of Hard Knocks
PvP raid
Step 2:
Decide the order in which you would like to accomplish the prerequisites. Eg. EotS, WG, AB, AV
Step 3:
Get everyone to /roll to determine the order of who gets the prerequisites done for them. Eg. Person A rolls a 100 and gets their prereq done first in EotS. Repeat this process for each BG otherwise, the person who was top of the list has no incentive to stay after their fourth BG. The raid would probably be whittled down quickly after person 2, 3, 4 etc bailed. Avoid rolling a one four times...
Step 4:
*
cue Monty Burns voice
* Release the orphans!
Step 5:
As a group, defend the person who is earning the prereq, let them obtain it, then move down the order of who's up next. Eg. EotS: Person A captures and returns the flag whilst the raid swarms around them in defence. Person B then goes, etc.
Step 6:
Rinse and repeat for each BG
Step 7:
Pray no one leaves and can follow simply instructions.
If none of the above are achieveable due to ineptitude, selfishness, or the server decides to delete your character and eat your orphans...
/wrist
Comentario de
Daesor
Step 1:
Advertise in Trade or Guild (preferably the latter) that you are forming a
School of Hard Knocks
PvP raid
Step 2:
Decide the order in which you would like to accomplish the prerequisites. Eg. EotS, WG, AB, AV
Step 3:
Get everyone to /roll to determine the order of who gets the prerequisites done for them. Eg. Person A rolls a 100 and gets their prereq done first in EotS. Repeat this process for each BG otherwise, the person who was top of the list has no incentive to stay after their fourth BG. The raid would probably be whittled down quickly after person 2, 3, 4 etc bailed. Avoid rolling a one four times...
Step 4:
*
cue Monty Burns voice
* Release the orphans!
Step 5:
As a group, defend the person who is earning the prereq, let them obtain it, then move down the order of who's up next. Eg. EotS: Person A captures and returns the flag whilst the raid swarms around them in defence. Person B then goes, etc.
Step 6:
Rinse and repeat for each BG
Step 7:
Pray no one leaves and can follow simply instructions.
If none of the above are achieveable due to ineptitude, selfishness, or the server decides to delete your character and eat your orphans...
/wrist
Comentario de
Daesor
Step 1:
Advertise in Trade or Guild (preferably the latter) that you are forming a
School of Hard Knocks
PvP raid
Step 2:
Decide the order in which you would like to accomplish the prerequisites. Eg. EotS, WG, AB, AV
Step 3:
Get everyone to /roll to determine the order of who gets the prerequisites done for them. Eg. Person A rolls a 100 and gets their prereq done first in EotS. Repeat this process for the last BG just so the original top rollers have an incentive to stay (unless they managed to maintain their order by chance). Avoid rolling a one multiple times...
Step 4:
*
cue Monty Burns voice
* Release the orphans!
Step 5:
As a group, defend the person who is earning the prereq, let them obtain it, then move down the order of who's up next. Eg. EotS: Person A captures and returns the flag whilst the raid swarms around them in defence. Person B then goes, etc.
Step 6:
Rinse and repeat for each BG. Where applicable, coax the opposing faction to instigate the process of accomplishing the objective. Eg. WG - let them capture flag then pounce; AB - let them win a flag then assault, etc.
Step 7:
Pray no one leaves and can follow simply instructions.
BGs that benefit the most from an organised raid are EotS, WG.
If none of the above are achieveable due to ineptitude, selfishness, or the server decides to delete your character and eat your orphans...
/wrist
Comentario de
Daesor
Step 1:
Advertise in Trade or Guild (preferably the latter) that you are forming a
School of Hard Knocks
PvP raid
Step 2:
Decide the order in which you would like to accomplish the prerequisites. Eg. EotS, WSG, AB, AV
Step 3:
Get everyone to /roll to determine the order of who gets the prerequisites done for them. Eg. Person A rolls a 100 and gets their prereq done first in EotS. Repeat this process for the last BG just so the original top rollers have an incentive to stay (unless they managed to maintain their order by chance). Avoid rolling a one multiple times...
Step 4:
*
cue Monty Burns voice
* Release the orphans!
Step 5:
As a group, defend the person who is earning the prereq, let them obtain it, then move down the order of who's up next. Eg. EotS: Person A captures and returns the flag whilst the raid swarms around them in defence. Person B then goes, etc.
Step 6:
Rinse and repeat for each BG. Where applicable, coax the opposing faction to instigate the process of accomplishing the objective. Eg. WSG - let them capture flag then pounce; AB - let them win a flag then assault, etc.
Step 7:
Pray no one leaves and can follow simply instructions.
BGs that benefit the most from an organised raid are EotS, WSG.
If none of the above are achieveable due to ineptitude, selfishness, or the server decides to delete your character and eat your orphans...
/wrist
Comentario de
Daesor
Step 1:
Advertise in Trade or Guild (preferably the latter) that you are forming a
School of Hard Knocks
PvP raid
Step 2:
Decide the order in which you would like to accomplish the prerequisites. Eg. EotS, WSG, AB, AV
Step 3:
Get everyone to /roll to determine the order of who gets the prerequisites done for them. Eg. Person A rolls a 100 and gets their prereq done first in EotS. Repeat this process for the last BG just so the original top rollers have an incentive to stay (unless they managed to maintain their order by chance). Avoid rolling a one multiple times...
Step 4:
*
cue Monty Burns voice
* Release the orphans!
Step 5:
As a group, defend the person who is earning the prereq, let them obtain it, then move down the order of who's up next. Eg. EotS: Person A captures and returns the flag whilst the raid swarms around them in defence. Person B then goes, etc.
Step 6:
Rinse and repeat for each BG. Where applicable, coax the opposing faction to instigate the process of accomplishing the objective. Eg. WSG - let them assault the flag then pounce to recover; AB - let them win a flag then assault, etc.
Step 7:
Pray no one leaves and can follow simply instructions.
BGs that benefit the most from an organised raid are EotS, WSG.
If none of the above are achieveable due to ineptitude, selfishness, or the server decides to delete your character and eat your orphans...
/wrist
Comentario de
Jansyu
So, if you don't do PvP, then you've got no hope in hell of doing any of this stuff.
Yet who in the PvP world doesn't do PvE. Not fair say I :)
Comentario de
Kovas
Please explain how a random bag of candie during Love Fool is an achievement.
I understand the point you are trying to make.
After completing the Merrymaker and the Elder Achievements the Love Fool one nearly had me. I'm grateful that blizz took off the black dress and Peddlefeet requirement but making an achievement based soley on getting candy hearts from a drop, I don't get it.
I can't complain about the requirements for School of Hardknocks, this will take both skill and a bit of luck or cooperation maybe to complete, however as a rogue I have no room to complain.
Comentario de
wolfjr
Hopefully the achievements act differently. If anyone remembers doing quests in Alterac Valley where you have to Assault a Tower, Capture a Graveyard, etc. you don't have to be the one that clicks the flag in the base or graveyard to get the credit, you just have to be around when it happens. This is how I hope these achievements work:
In EotS, you simply have to be at the base that your team mate with the flag decides to capture it at.
In Arathi Basin, you just have to be around when a team mate is assaulting a flag.
In Alterac Valley, you just have to be in the area of a Tower being assaulted by your team mate, and
In WSG you just have to help your offensive team grab your flag back from the enemy
Lets hope.
Comentario de
Hichaka
And did we forget that players on the opposite faction are going to be trying to kill you EVEN MORE SO than normal, for another achievement? Really, really hard to do.
Comentario de
Daibaw
This achievement could be made more reasonable by changing "all objectives" to "one of the four".
Comentario de
kjpodsia
That achievement (
Once An Orphan...
) has reportedly been
removed from the game
in the most recent 3.1 PTR patch.
Comentario de
Quacksaw
A shame, it seems they removed the wrong one.
Comentario de
MattimusPrime
Here's hoping. I'm utter crap at PVP, and I as much as I hate to be one of those guys that QQ... these achievements do favor some classes more than others.
Though I definitely feel for the poor Druids who had a hell of a time during Winter Veil with the Xmas gnome costume.
Comentario de
Bayushizero
Sure you have room to complain.
You HAVE TO HAVE your orphan out when accomplishing these 'feats'.
You're a ROGUE. Stealth + Orphan following you = fail.
Comentario de
feles
I am trying to block that pain from my memory - I actually removed the keymapping form my shapeshifting abilities for the duration of battlegrounds because I kept shifting by habit.
Comentario de
rzzr
This is going to be the hardest part of Children's Week. Returning the flag in WSG is going to be a total pain as you are going to have 9 other people wanting to do it! I forsee a large amount of QQ'ing on this one!
Comentario de
nemesiscw
No, but I'm imagining Pallys putting bop to nearby players so that they can start capping...
Which I'll be doing...
Comentario de
BiggusGeekus
Of course people are going to QQ.
EotS will be a giant scrum over the flag with wins being made through the towers and few flag captures
WSG will be turtles on both sides, since no achievement-seeker has any incentive to capture the opposing flag and every incentive to be the first to gank the opposing capture team.
Apparently overcoming lazy game design is an "achievement".
Comentario de
Tolki
It may work if you are in the vicinity of the goal completed, but not the single individual who is credited with the action (let's hope), but in case it isn't that way, here is how you lead your premade to Achievement victory:
Preparation
: Try to get this done the first few days of Children's Week so you will have fast queues and people willing to do a premade to get their achievement. Try to recruit good burst DPS, AoE-ers, stealth classes, and above all, healers. Get everyone in Vent to coordinate them. In all Battlegrounds, set three ground rules: First, listen to the raid leader. Second, once you have your achievement credit, under no circumstances do you complete that action again. Third, stick around out of good will to the people who helped you get your achievement. Make sure no idiots don't have a kid out for their achievement action. You will probably run into other premades trying to do the exact same thing you are, so help them out if it doesn't negatively impact you too badly.
________________
WSG
: All ten of you cluster midfield. Allow opposing faction running around you to get into your base, then spread out. When they come back out, pretend you are playing football and zerg the flag carrier. Once you overwhelm the sorry individual, take turns returning the flag until the opposing faction gets sore and gives up or something. As a courtesy, keep sending a single flag capper to your enemies' base to be killed for their achievements.
Why do I believe the other team will act this way? Because contrary to all other logic, people never defend and always chase the shiny thing. Mixing achievements into the mix of things you should do but aren't wont stop a formidable offense from the other team from forming. If they happen to be a premade, congratulations, you get to sit in your flag room and let a guy pick up and drop a flag over and over again if your allies aren't dumb enough to kill him to force a drop or he/she is dumb enough not to let it go.
EotS
: This will be a bloodbath. More than likely, your premade will be rushing for the flag, and the premade of the opposing faction will be as well. Have a few people poke their heads into enemy bases, they should change hands easily, and bring them down to NEUTRAL territory so the game lasts longer. Keep one base for caps, and beyond that its just going to be a massive WW1-style running into a tiny strip of corpse-laden enemy lines to try and grab some flags. Get creative knocking the other team off into the abyss, try to bring Priests and Ele Shaman for this one.
Why do I think the other team will act this way? Because all people do is zerg the flag anyway. This time, people will just be far more bloodthirsty and ^&*!ish in pursuit of it. Prepare to be frustrated.
AB
: Split your team in half and run around as a mob assaulting bases. If you have your whole team on a node, the other team is going to be there in full as well, so just divide yourself and each team will get lucky with their resistance. Know when to fight and when to turn around towards a deserted node. Clear out quickly once you get an assault, so you get the chance of some lone fool going in and flipping it back again for a quick achievement credit for someone else on your team. Obviously, don't defend anything you capture, and don't stick around to fully capture anything; your goal is just to assault it. If they are smart, they will do the same, but they also won't defend nodes so you can assault them quicker, because defending doesn't count as achievement credit.
Why do I think the other team will act this way? Again, because no one defends. Either it will be another premade doing the exact same thing you are (which makes it even easier, just do laps), or they are easily overwhelmed idiots who won't put up a formidable defense at nodes, at least not for too long. Or you end up in a head-scratching 15-on-15 at Stables. That should be a scientific study.
AV
: Toughest one. Can't get a full raid going for AV, so do what you can with a party. The amount of people trying to get this will make AV... unpredictable. I suggest you head into enemy lines with a stack of
Lesser Invisiblity Potions
, equip and make a
Gnomish Cloaking Device
if you are an Engineer, use invisibility or stealth if you have it, just do what you have to to get to a tower in your enemies' base. I doubt this can be done alone, as archers will probably fill you with holes, so try to coordinate it with your 5-man (or more if you can encourage some randoms in the cave to come along) so you defend each other heading to your bunker; a healer is highly recommended. Resurrect any who die, don't release. If you head out off the bat, the two towers in your enemies' base should be undefended by players, so if you work fast to kill the archers with a quick cap. From there, stay at the top of the tower, hide (behind a pillar if Horde, on the side of the topmost hut without the ramp or the entrance to the inside of the hut if Alliance), kill whoever reclaims it, and repeat. Try to use emotes such as /hug and /love to deter them for going for you before they flip the tower, and heal whoever they attack until they get it if they aren't a threat.
Frankly, I don't know how AV will work out. I can see people allowing towers to flip easily, but the question is how willing will the other faction be to sacrifice themselves for your achievement? The fact that as many as 40 people will be going for as few as 4 achievement credits per fight (read: 10% receive credit per BG) lends this segment of the achievement to extreme *!@#$%baggery.
____________________
So, if the individual gets credit for the action, and not people in the vicinity of the completed action, here is your guide. Just reading back on this, this may actually be some very fun, vicious, competitive, PvP. The achievement may be annoying, but at least Battlegrounds will be active again for a week :)
Comentario de
Jaylen
The Purple Proto-drake is the casual, but long playing, 310% drake.
There are casual PvP and casual PvE players. If Blizzard really wanted to be a pain they could have made an achievement along the lines of:
Create an Orphan:
Win a ranked Arena game with a minimum rank of X.
X being just high enough to prove you just didn't create a team after never doing arena just to get the achievement.
Comentario de
mrbeankc
I don't mind the achievement but wish it were dropped for the overall requirement for "for the children" and thus "what a long strange trip it's been". A lot of players (like my wife) just don't pvp. It's one thing to ask a player to kill 10 or 20 players with your orphan out and another to ask people who have never done some of the battlegrounds and have no pvp gear to suddenly start running flags in WSG. I have this image of 40 people all making a dash for a tower in AV. It's going to be a mess at best.
What I would prefer and would make it less a mess would be if you were required to win all 5 of the battlegrounds while getting 5 honor kills with your orphan out. That would work I think. Would require the player to win a battleground and to actively participate in the fight. This would allow non pvp folks to get the achievement without having to do something they are neither experienced or geared enough to do.
Comentario de
Vath
Definitely try to get at least one of these. After children's week ends, if enough people QQ about not being able to get it, they might change it to "get 1" like others have suggested. I do feel for you career PvE'ers. This is kind of a rip off for you guys. As for PvP'ers, it's all in a days work, it's just gonna suck trying to get the EOTS and WSG.
Comentario de
brnweird
i dont know about every one else but i play only on one server horde and alliance and have talked to friends on both sides of the fractions. We all agreed that we would try are hardest to get the people who are in are groups for WSG. to keep picking up the flag and just stand in the war room so the other team can kill you and then once every one has the acheivement that we would then start the battle once we saw that 10 people ahave returned the flag on each side sounds like it will work but a telephone will also be used to make sure that both side get the acheivement before we start the battle ( note that i am on a normal server {earthern ring} and most of the people i play with really DONT like to pvp for anything other then acheivements and mounts. just though id add my worthless 2 cents
edit: just to let every one know it didnt work to well. here its is sunday and i have about 20 hrs of running BG and only have 2/4. Can some one answer a ? for me. Are the battle grounds composed of different servers ( like when i go to WSG are there people in BG that are not on my server {earthen ring} noticed names after everyone else toons names that sounded like other realms that i would be able to choose from. The reason im asking is because i tryed the above comment with my horde friend and we could not get into the same BG. thanks for the response if some one does.
Comentario de
Vath
As nice as a plan as that is, it's impossible in WoW. There will always be that guy who doesn't care or is out to ruin everyone else's achievement. Not to mention, cross faction communication in a BG can be grounds for a suspension, or even a ban xD.
That's what is going to suck the most about this. WSG is going to be nothing. No one is going to be attacking since they want to be the one to nab any enemies getting their flag. No one is also going to attack knowing there is 8-9, or all 10 enemies at the flag just waiting for someone to try and take it. Not to mention, given the number of non PvP'ers out there, and even regular PvP'ers, once they see they got it, they'll be out of there and on their way to another BG (15 minutes later at least). This is really going to be a disaster for a lot of people. But that's why it's an achievement I suppose, it doesn't have to be easy.
Comentario de
Damyen
This nigthmare starts on this friday, i hope blizz do some changes to get this achiev -_-
Comentario de
Havitech
I love PvP, and I wish Blizzard would quit it with these stupid achievements. Why? Because instead of hopping in a battleground full of people who are intending to fight each other and win the round, I end up with a group composed mostly of people who only want the achievements and would otherwise never pop their head into a battleground. But, I'm not blaming them; it's poor game design, and that is solely Blizzard's fault.
I really hate QQing about these things, but if I was sitting in the brainstorming session when this and similar achievements were conceived, I could give several better alternatives.
Comentario de
chknnuggts
You may also want to create a macro to notify the opposing faction of your intentions.
/wait
/target Orphan
/point
/target last
/wait
They might stop killing you and and actually assist your team in completing the achievements - as long as you assist them.
WSG
- have one person pick up their flag, then drop it in their flag room for one of them to return. Continue until their whole team gets the achievement. Odds are, they will do the same for you.
EoTS
- each faction take a turn returning a flag. (Only 1 base controlled per faction)
AB/AV
- assault a flag/tower, let them defend it, then let someone else assault. (If each person needs to assault)
Comentario de
Chunkeh
Here's hoping that simply being in range of a party member who caps, assaults, or returns is enough to give you credit if you have your orphan out and nearby. Or possibly making it so you only have to do one of the four on your own. ANY nerf to this achievement at this point would be an improvement.
I used to pvp a lot more pre-WotLK, but I do feel for those dedicated bgers who are going to have a nightmarish week during this event. I'm not one to QQ, I've done some of the most ridiculous achievements ingame, but this...this is an entirely different monster.
Comentario de
fian
Really?
Step 1 : Stealth to bunker/tower in enemy base.
Step 2: look around >.> <.< pull out orphan.
Step 3: assault flag
Step 4: ? Afk out?
Step 5: profit!
Comentario de
Vath
On the bright side, for
www.wowhead.com/?quest=8120
, I remember getting credit for simply being at the flag while someone assualted it, standing a few yards away, so hopefully that one will be a given, and hopefully AV is the same. As for WSG and EoTS, I'd be willing to bet we actually have to be the ones doing it given the circumstances.
Comentario de
Baldulf
Awww, they *did* remove the wrong one. That was the best achievement name EVER.
Comentario de
Baldulf
I'm guessing you're right about both AV and AB, as that's the way those worked in previous World Event achievements (Winter Veil, I believe), but I fear that EotS and WSG will be the full enchilada--only the clicker or carrier respectively will get credit.
Children's Week was not activated on the most recent PTR for anyone to have tested this, was it?
Comentario de
Metak
Ok so its hard for u all to do little PVP-ing. Imagine how it is to PVP guys to to Hail to the King, Baby (down the last boss in UP with ur orphan) or how it was hard to do Elders of the Dungeons (visit the elders in HoS, GD, Nexus, UP, UK, AN)? These are PVE achievemenst but u dont see PVP-ers QQ about it.
Comentario de
willi377
It's different. No one got to level 80 without PVEing. EVERYONE has had some PVE experience. The converse is not necessarily true.
Comentario de
MattimusPrime
It's a PVE game with PVP tacked on. That's just the truth. The game launched, PVP was entirely "Hey you're flagged, and look we're next to Crossroads, I'm gonna fight you." There were no Battlegrounds, Arenas, or even a reward/honor system. It was little more than a mini-game that they've sinced expanded on.
The PVE game is the core of WoW, the PVP game has developed over time into something that people still very loudly exclaim is unsatisfactory. There's a niche of players that love WoW PVP, but PVE is absolutely, without a doubt, required in just about all character progression. If you're playing WoW and you complain about having to PVE, then you're probably playing the wrong game.
Comentario de
doughy
I can understand how some are concerned with the PvP aspect of the meta acheivement, but take into consideration that you have a whole week to complete it. Two of those acheivements can be done in five minutes. (Bad example and Home Alone). Its just one acheivement that will take some time to get, and especially if you dont pvp or dislike pvp and you get it, you earned your "acheivment"
Comentario de
Streetgst
Completed my School of Hard Knocks a few minutes ago. I can confirm that it does not matter if you are in the immediate area. It must be you who does the tasks in order to receive credit. However I was able to get all four done in my first battlegrounds of each. Fairly easier than I was expecting.
EDIT: As a side note you cannot call your orphan while in combat! Be sure yours is out and ready before you try to attack towers in AV especially, as archers will prevent you from calling your pet when you get to the flag.
Comentario de
chevalito
I thought the event didn't start until tomorrow.
Comentario de
brnweird
it is tomorrow in europe !
Comentario de
Gnub
Sadly, it's not.
You have to it yourself :/
Comentario de
zakarthur
the only way anyone is going to get the WSG achievement is if the other team already has the achieevement. however contrary to what everyone else is saying there wil lbe the REAL PvPers who will attempt to get the flag. there are a lot of pvpers who couldnt are less about the achievements. thats why you never actually see anyone fighting the field of strife. so i do believe that this achievement should be removed and a different one (eg: collect 10 total battleground marks of honor with your orphan out) should be added. this way if the achievement getters didnt really do PvP they would get the achievement more slowly. or (this is a joke please do not flame me) they could add an achievement called racism 101: kill the leaders of the horde(or alliance)with your orphan out.
EDIT: added the last sentence.
Comentario de
Ruiru
Spent a nice amount of time in WSG, turtle match... *sigh*
Totally not worth it. :(
Comentario de
Turkey111
Seriously Blizz these PvP achievements are completely stupid and pointless.
I understand that this is an effort to get people to experience all parts of the game but this achievement not only causes people to not participate in the BG but is also unfair.
Since I play from an area reasonably far from the server I have a slight delay in my actions and numerous times I've missed a flag or tower because I don't even see the flag dropped yet and someone else has already used it.
I'm not QQ'ing I just feel that it handicaps people and should be removed, I want the Violet Drake just as much as everybody else.
Comentario de
madindehead
This achievement is totally ridiculous. While AB and AV are easy, WSG and EOTS are insanely hard. Sure, I understand it should be a challenge. But I don't think anyone is interested in trying to get to an AoE heavy flag in EOTS, or attempt to be the fastest clicker in WSG. Most of WSG and EOTS is pure luck.
Comentario de
Fraglimat
I just did the AV one, and we actually had a horde taking the tower flag back every time an ally took it, so that everyone there could get that part of the achievement done. Big thanks Kheal, didn't see which realm you were on.
Comentario de
zakarthur
my comment dissapeared... :(
anyways what i said was that blizz should change this achievement to acquire "X" battleground marks of honor from each of the following battlegrounds (you know Wintergrasp warsong gulch alterac valley arathi basin strand of the ancients and eye of the storm). This way if you wanted to get the achievement done in reasonable time you would have to help the BG out . (this would all of course be with your orphan out. if you are dead well :().
Comentario de
zakarthur
ok this post is meant asa joke please don't take it seriously:this means uprate if you think its funny downrate otherwise i dont honestly care.
ok here it is: "with your orphan out slay a leader of the horde" and it would be called racism 101
REMEMBER DONT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY PLEASE
Comentario de
Timmeh
I just got this. To those who are feeling demotivated:
I play on a PvE realm and completed it using purely PvE gear. I'm what you'd call an adequate PvPer, certainly not exceptional or even that good; the odd BG, but I don't like it enough to collect any PvP gear and have never played in a "serious" arena team. I had no outside help (and definitely no premade). It took me a little under 2 hours to complete the four objectives.
Some facts:
You must complete each one yourself, these will not mark as done if someone else completes them and your orphan is near.
Your orphan has to be out. No orphan, no achievement.
Your orphan despawns when you die and must be re-summoned with the whistle. Don't forget to resummon when you die (or cause it to despawn with range). Someone somewhere is going to complete the EotS objective and realise they forgot to get their orphan out, do not let it be you.
Don't plan on doing any regular PvP for the duration of this holiday, it's not going to happen.
So, tips.
WSG: This one's easy. If most people are off assaulting, I'd recommend sitting around your base somewhere hidden. If you don't feel confident you can bring down the enemy who picks it up by yourself, bring a friend to help. If everyone's sitting around your base trying to camp the achievement, you can either sit with them and likely have a very frustrating battleground or wander into midfield and play with the enemy for a bit until those with no concentration span in your base wander off. Either way, this one won't give you too much hassle.
AB: The second easiest. 12/15 on each team will probably rush for farm/stables and thanks to latency all believe they got there first so sit there for the duration of the 10 seconds. Those who realised they didn't get there first will go on to lumber mill (as the flags are positioned towards that side, people will aim for what they're closest to). I personally rushed GM at the start and found myself the only one there (I assume everyone else was still sitting at farm/stables). If this doesn't work for you, I'd suggest picking a fight for a flag you can see your side is going to win and sitting on the flag in the most protective gear you own right clicking until all the enemies die and stop poking you. Keep persisting, this one's not that hard, there are 5 bases and only 30 people, if the worst comes to the worst, within a couple of games, you'll find yourself alone at a base ripe for the capping at some point.
AV: Potentially the joint hardest. I say that, it would be the hardest if it weren't for the mechanics of the place. There are only 4 towers you can realistically hope to capture over the course of an AV, doing the maths, 40 people on your side in the BG, 90% of the people in it are going to go away disappointed. However, the faction rivalries seem to've fallen away for the purposes of this holiday. One person can capture the tower, an enemy can restore it, another person can capture it, enemy can restore it... this continues. I sat on a tower we'd captured, saw two incoming horde players, they attacked me, I /wait'd and /point'd at the orphan. They stopped attacking me, recaptured the tower, I captured it /bow'd and jumped off leaving them to do what they like with it. Chances are if you sit on a tower you'll meet some nice people like this. If you don't... you'll have to work real hard to get to one first, be under no illusions, this won't be easy (bring swiftness potions). A better idea is that, if you have a friend who plays the opposing faction in your battlegroup, you can probably arrange reclaiming and recapping a tower with them.
EotS: Oh god. 30 people, one flag. This one is a toughie. First thing I'd suggest is installing deadly boss mods (or any mod that'll show you the flag respawn timer). If you want a good chance of getting this one, you'll need a battleground in which your side is outplaying the enemy. Simple maths, the more times you get a chance to go for the flag, the more likely you are to capture it. If your team has full control of the center and are just waiting for the flag to spawn, an important fact is that the flag is clickable before the graphic appears. Hover your mouse over where the flag is going to be, watch the DBM (or whatever) timer; as soon as it runs down, right click. You won't see the flag for about a second and a half, but you'll be taking it. If your team is letting you down, try to stay out of the way a bit until it looks like your team is going to gain control of the center then run in and play the persistent right clicker as in AB. You then need to plan your escape and pray there aren't too many enemies in the way and that your team will help you.
Ultimately they're all doable; you'll need to have a reasonable idea of what you're doing, some luck and potentially a lot of patience. Even if you're a rubbish PvPer, you have a whole week, if a moderate PvPer such as myself can manage it in 2 hours, you can manage it in 7 days assuming you're prepared to invest the time. :)
Comentario de
wensleydale
As a piece of game design, this achievement as it currently stands is fundamentally flawed. It acts against players' enjoyment of the game. In short, it is
bad
and
wrong
.
For people who want the meta-achievement and don't like or are not good at PVP, it promises many frustrating attempts to complete difficult objectives in an aspect of the game in which they may rather not even be participating.
If this wasn't bad enough, it disrupts the general Battleground experience for players who
do
like to participate, whether they care about the achievement or not. The main problem is that the achievement promotes player behaviour that is not in line with the usual strategies for successful (and therefore enjoyable) Battleground play.
In essence, nobody concerned is happy.
This kind of achievement could be implemented in a way that is much less frustrating for all involved, simply by aligning its criteria with the usual objectives of a successful and enjoyable battleground: participation and victory. Requiring players to win a match on each of the mentioned BG maps, while accumulating a certain (relatively low) number of HKs, or damage/healing done would achieve this. Non-PVP players would only have to make a reasonable effort to contribute, rather than accomplishing specific, difficult objectives. BG regulars would not be inconvenienced by players trying to accomplish something other than winning.
This may not be WoW's greatest offence against the gods of game design, but it is one of the easier ones to fix.
Comentario de
wowkopfweh
worst! achievement! ever! simple as that. what was blizzard thinking when they came up with that one... i can only hope this gets dropped from the meta achievement. imagine the mess in BGs we are gonna be facing over the next week.
Comentario de
Vath
Time of day is going to be key for getting this. It's about 2 am server time, and I just finished an EoTS where it was 15-4 horde. The EoTS was stupidly easy and that was the one I was worried the most about. If you guys are having trouble with any of these, give it a few days. You have until next Thursday. People are going to be looking to get you out of the way moreso than ever in these BG's now, and first/second day world events are always the worst for people zerging to get all the achievements. Let things cool down a bit if you have too and try again when there's less people going for the same thing.
Comentario de
starwolf
once again, blizzard delivers buggy achievement. 5 towers in AV so far capped, no achievment. Way to go blizzard.
Comentario de
sandmanccl
Add me to the list of people that think this achievement is really, really, really stupid.
In my battlegroup, you're looking at 15 minute queue times for AV. Assuming you get IN the AV, you have to hope and pray there's no one else trying to get it while you are, AND hope that you're the first guy to the tower. You're competing against 39 other players for that, which is just absurd. The only tower that you can guarantee at least a tap on is the first one.
And then if you don't manage to tap a tower? You're $%^& out of luck for 45 minutes minimum while AV turns into a giant turtle fest (Since midnight, every AV has been one), so that you can queue for another AV, wait 15 minutes, then try again.
And this is JUST ONE of the
4
requirements for this achievement.
I sincerely hope there's enough of an outcry from the community that this achievement gets removed from the Children's Week requirements or at least gets downsized so that you only need 1 of the 4 things there. I could stomach that, simply because tapping a node in Arathi Basin isn't impossible.
And for the record, I consider myself a former hardcore PVPer. These achievements don't encourage people to PVP; it just encourages bad PVP. You get people who soley want the achievement popping in that suck it up, and even if you get 14 other people or so that know what the hell they're doing, you have to compete AGAINST THEM in order to get these goals accomplished so it's just a crapshoot if you ever do.
Comentario de
BastardDwarf
...all such communication ofc is contravening the game's TOCs, which can result in permanent ban.
Sorry but Blizz you have failed on this one. Why do you think so many people are actually on PVE servers? Ah yes it's because they are not playing this game for PVP. Repeatedly ramming these PVP achievements down our throats for the thousands of achievement hunters who simply do not PvP but want to complete the holiday achievements is pretty lame.
Comentario de
Drulus
I'm doing the achievement right now, and I'm sorry to say that's not how it works.
AB:
Have to cap a base yourself, doesn't count just standing close to one being capped.
AV:
Have to cap a tower yourself, doesn't count just standing close to one being capped.
EotS:
Have to cap the flag yourself, doesn't count just standing close to one being capped.
WSG:
You have to be the one clicking on the flag to return it. Like when it appears <your name> has returned the <your faction> flag.
In Alterac Valley the achievement doesn't trigger by capping bases like Stonehearth, Frostwolf or Iceblood, only the 4 towers that each side have/can cap.
Good luck with your achievements!
Comentario de
jooles
If this is designed to make people experience content then Blizzard should be told that this achievement makes people hate battlegrounds and never want to return. like me.
Comentario de
blupache
I really wasn't looking forward to this, but now it's here it's having some bizarre effects on some of the battlegrounds I've been in.
Some are basically normal.
Others are.. not normal. WSG with two lots of 8 or 9 person defence, with one or two people going out, capping the flag without resistance & then jumping up and down in the flag room until they're killed... and both sides are doing this.
As a PVE oriented player, I was expecting to hate this.. instead I'm finding it somewhere between highly amusing & mildly annoying. I suspect the people it's really going to irritate are those who're actually playing BGs to win.
Comentario de
enderfish001
I wanted to update this and unforunately at least in AV and EotS you don't get credit for being in the vicinity, you acually have to carry the flag in EotS and assault a tower personally in AV. I haven't done the other 2, but I'm guessing its the same rules :(
The EotS one is just going to be a pain because you will have to fight everyone off and get lucky with clicking the flag. As for AV, it seems that SH tower might be a kind of meeting point for horde and alliance to swap flag control. In the AV I did we just took turns with the horde and alliance capping the flag over and over and aside from a few griefers it went pretty well.
The way they've been reducing the metas recently there is a good chance this one might be taken out, or changed to requiring only 1 or 2 of the BGs, so if you can't get them all I'd recommend at least getting 2. Good luck.. BGs are gonna suck this week ><
Comentario de
Valygar
I can tell ya right now that here is where ENGINEERING pays off! In Eots, line yourself up with the path to the flag when you start. Then put on your
Rocket
Boots
Extreme and
parachute cloak
. When the game starts, pop your boots, jump off the edge, and pop your cloak. If you do it right you can float right to the flag and click off the buff and youll be the first to get the flag, about 5 seconds before everyone else gets there.
Comentario de
Djumen
39 EotS' and still counting, haven't even touched the flag. It's like the worst achievement ever to get..
Comentario de
mosess
Just did this achivement. Clarifying a few things.
Flag in EOTS.
You don't need the orphan out until you deliver the flag at the base.
Flag in WSG
You have to be the one the game recognizes as the flag returner after an enemy has dropped it while your orphan is out.
Arathi Basin cap
You need to have your orphan out when you click a flag in AB and the cast finishes. Doesn't matter if it's capped by the opposite side or not capped at all (gray)
Alterac Valley cap
You have to have your orphan out as you click the enemy's tower flag and finish the cast. You don't have to wait for it to belong to your faction. Remember the tower's in the enemy's base are also possible in the achivement.
Comentario de
trebor103
Just incase anyone wants an idea how insane this is at the moment, i joined a WSG, extreme lag, disconected, some random errors when trying to log back in, several minutes later of trying to log back in, i find myself falling through nothing to my death.
complete server meltdown
Comentario de
Drudatz
absolutly worst archivement ever!
not possible at all....
Comentario de
DELJaneLame
Exactly. I just spent an hour in WSG. The score was 0-0 after an hour. Nobody assaulted, everyone stayed at the base for the achievement. Not only this was impossible to get, also it ruined the BG for people who actually wanted to play it.
Comentario de
sjuker
Obviously it's possible, it just takes time, and you have all week. Being a PvE type person, I was not looking forward to this at all, but I was happily surprised that it didn't take me more than 4-5 hours of doing BG's to complete them all.
AV is (in my battlegroup at least) the worst by far. I had to do 9 or 10 before I finally got a tower tag.
Comentario de
captinron
Impossible as an Affliction Warlock...
Besides all the other suggestions, why not update the criteria for a Strand of the Ancients and / or Wintergrasp component.
Comentario de
Baratusk
Just got the achievement. I kept note of how I got each objective and here's what I have to report:
AB
- I was standing directly next to someone that capped the flag and got credit.
AV
- I had to physically cap the flag.
EotS
- I had to physically capture the flag.
WSG
- I was standing directly next to someone that capped the flag and got credit.
So 2 for 2 I had to be the one that met the objective. Now, this just speculation, but it's possible that I got credit for AB and WSG because the person that capped it was in the same group as me.
I would love to know if anyone can confirm that this is the case or not.
Comentario de
Chiba
What a brilliant idea! 4 incredibly awful requirements for this achievement are not enough, let's make it 6!
Comentario de
miike
I finished up all of mine pretty easily as a rogue (alliance) solo.
WSG: play as normal, travel in groups and zerg the efc.
AB: I usually run to lumber mill first as alliance, if unavailable, wait the game out and assault a base that the horde have taken already.
AV: Best to have a paladin come with you for crusader aura and run straight to RH, assault both east and west towers,
EotS: I found the easiest way to do this was wait on the opposing end the enemy comes out and burst them as quickly as possible, kill, take flag and sprint away.
Good luck everyone, these requirements are !@#$ty if you're not much of a PVPer. Just try and have fun and don't let others ruin it for you :)
Comentario de
Ichimanako
This achivement is a mistake. Today I was in WSG - horde helped alliance, and alliance helped horde. Okay cute and nice, but AB, AV, EOTS is unplayable. And the whole week is going to be like that. Really, changing that it requires only one of these is a very nice idea.
Comentario de
Shambulanced
The AV one sucks.
1) Loooong queue times in my battlegroup.
2) Only 4 towers per, assuming horde don't defend (they typically don't)
3) Have to be the one to click the flag to get credit
4) DKs or Pallies get mountspeed buff
EotS and AB took effort but weren't too tough. WSG is being farmed.
Overall, very stupid achievement and ruining the pvp for people who care for the week.
The universal symbol for "don't kill me, I'm helping you farm" is /wait, spread the word.
Comentario de
Knokkelmann
WOW, this Achievement effectively demonstrates the selfishness and utter stupidity of some players, but also some random kindness.
In WSG, I took the flag and instantly dropped it for the other faction to get their part and also
Frenzied Defender
and they did the same for us.
In AV, I spent
Hours
trying to be the first at a bunker or defend a Tower or interact with others, but some dumbass
always
ruined it. Faction members that did not stop attacking even when we told them, enemy players that just left the BG after we let them tap a Tower and waited there with 5 people to play the
tap-retap game
, enemy players who killed me after
they
had their achievements and I was trying to tap... if I still had some faith in humanity left, I would have lost it today...
EotS was a constant fight for the middle with the opposing faction and a struggle to be the first at the flag within the own faction. A lot of
Thunderstorm
,
Blast Wave
and
Typhoon
action
And finally, AB was even more
conquer and leave
than it is normally... and many many instant /AFKs
All in all, this Achievement ruins BGs for a whole week, nice one, Blizz!
More Hate between the pure PvE and pure PvP people is exactly what we need
Comentario de
velanakultiras
most retarted achievement ever.
i hate PvP and wish there were servers without it. Now what does blizz do? Make me assault a tower in AV with like 20 other people trying the same and 20 retard alliance having fun killing me in my raid specc/gear.
Great fun, THANK YOU!
Comentario de
Declannic
I started the morning of the first day and I got most of these done rather quickly, and i'm not the best PvPer, although I am geared for it. WSG is the worst one because of the turtle fest.
Draka-Horde, Disc Priest
Comentario de
velanakultiras
most retarted achievement ever.
i hate PvP and wish there were servers without it. Now what does blizz do? Make me assault a tower in AV with like 20 other people trying the same and 20 retard alliance having fun killing me in my raid specc&gear.
Great fun, THANK YOU!
Comentario de
Drudatz
Sorry but nomatter what u say this archivement is really the worst there is
especially when ur in a bg where u allways start ie in EotS 5 Horde vs 15 Allys
Just the worst Archi Blizz ever came up with...
Plus you see a lot ppl just doin the Archi in the BG and then do an /AFK....
Comentario de
germieb
A lot of people are really overestimating this achievment, It took me 2 hours to do it solo and my pug group lost each of the bg's I was in also, You really dont need to form some kind of pre-made or something, this is really easy even if your not good at pvp
Comentario de
Eralyn
Yes you have to be the one to "assault the tower" or "get the flag" I just spent 2 hours running around in BG's . They were a complete mess. 1 guy in WSG was "helping his horde friends" kept picking up the flag and dropping it for them to each get it, while the horde just kept taking our flag, lol. We all sat and waited for them to "help us" pff yeah right
Comentario de
Sam51
It's not that hard.
AB (Easyest): Just find an undefended flag.
WSG (Easy): Stay in the flag room and always go for the enemy flag carrier.
EoTS (Medium): Camp in the center near the flag and snatch it. It could get a little tricky becouse almost everyone wants it.
AV (Extreme): Now this is the big deal. You have too choices: 1. Rush to one of the four towers in the begining. or 2. If 1. fails (In most cases it will.) hide in the tower that is the least protected and wait for someone to recapture it. Kill him/her (or not if he/she understands what you want) and capture.
Comentario de
emero510
WORST ACHIEVEMENT EVER
Comentario de
Wolfein
Idk if its like this on other battlegroups, but as soon as Children's Week started the Allies and Horde reached a mutual consent to allow one tower/base to be constantly capped and recapped. In WSG both teams would constantly pick up, drop, and allow the opposing faction to return the flag. :D
Comentario de
antijesse
Pro Tip
:
Call the orphan
AFTER
you get to the flag.
Comentario de
penpen002
Alterac Valley is a pain in the kazoo! And it's my last one...
Comentario de
AsatruFolket
I just managed to assault an Towerflag in AV with my orphan out and.... nothing.. did i missed something? i'm quite frustrated because i really suck in PvP
Comentario de
Sounder
You have to be the first one to click the flag and you have to complete the channel. If you did all the above, it's a glitch, but not a common one, just keep trying.
Comentario de
LoneAlbino
Why is everyone complaining that this achievement forces you to participate in PvP. For every achievement that is PvP orientated, there are another 10 that are PvE. What if someone doesn't enjoy PvE in the slightest, and is forced to PvE to get one of the achievements (i.e. Hail to the King, Baby)?
Think about the other side for a second...?
Comentario de
dhrin
Just knocked this one out in about 2 hours or so.
AV was a real pain in the butt. Got lucky when a rogue recapped the Northern tower, and I killed him and capped back.
For EotS if you zerg the middle after getting a tower or two it's pretty easy. Hell, if you cap three towers you typically dominate the field already and you can farm out the flag caps amongst the team.
AB is a breeze, go for the Farm, or if you miss that one, just keep your eyes open, watch the momentum of the game and go for the recently recapped area when the attackers move on.
WSG, just hang back with the flag, or sit mid-field and pick off flag runners with a group. Either way you can all alternate flag pickups.
For hardcore PvPers this achievement sucks, as it really wrecks the BGs. And for carebears this may appear to suck, but honestly once you get in there you'll see this achievement isn't nearly as bad as a lot of people are making it out to be.
Good luck!
Comentario de
Cloudchaser
I can report that several times in WSG I was right next to a person that returned the flag and did
not
get credit. I had to be the one clicking the flag to return it to get the credit.
Edit: Here's a theory to test: Is it possible that you get credit if someone else performs the action who is in your pre-formed group and don't get credit when you're only in the battleground-assigned group?
Comentario de
Monsun
seriously why the hell i should bring a baby to a battle field! stupid achievement :(
Comentario de
coyote72
There goes all hopes of getting a Violet Proto Drake...
Comentario de
coyote72
Plus, 10 defenders in a Warsong for 5 hours is not fun...
Comentario de
revenar
There's no 'I' in 'team.'
There's also no 'r' in 'achievement.'
Comentario de
silversg
I'm a Horde Hunter who just spent the last few hours doing this achievement. The hardest task (and the one that took the most attempts) was definitely assaulting a tower in Alterac Valley, just because of the number of other players all wanting to do the same thing. For Eye of the Storm and Warsong Gulch, I just hung around the flag and let others know what I was there for. Those of us there for the achievement all helped defend the flag, and took turns grabbing the flag (either to capture it in EotS or return it in WG). It helped in Warsong Gulch that a friendly Alliance player showed up who picked up and dropped the flag a few times so we could all return it and get credit. No such luck in Eye of the Storm; our group was in direct competition with the group of Alliance players who also wanted the achievement, so the flag base was constantly going back and forth between Alliance and Horde control as we fought over it.
For Arathi Basin and Alterac Valley, one of my favorite Beast Mastery talents came into play.
Pathfinding
allowed me to be the first to get to the Gold Mine (AB) and one of the towers close to the Alliance base (AV) so I could be the first to cap the flags. In Alterac Valley, nearly all of my fellow Hordies made a mad dash for one of the two Alliance towers near the middle of the map, since they're closer to our base, but I found myself with little to no competition in my attempts to get to one of the farthest towers near the Alliance base. You do have to get lucky and not be stopped by Alliance players or NPCs, but I did manage that easily after a couple tries. Since I came under fire from NPCs as soon as I entered the tower, I simply used
Feign Death
to drop aggro, and managed to stay out of their aggro radius when I went up the stairs and got to the flag. I capped it without interruption, which again, could take a couple tries depending on whether there are any Alliance players out to stop you.
I hope I've managed to help others get this achievement by sharing my experience. Good luck!
Comentario de
Scarrio
3 for 4 so far.
For those complaining about WSG, I donned my Brewfest gear while everybody else camped our flag, went over to the Ally side, picked up the flag and dropped it, and the ally who nabbed it was emoted to go over to the opposite side. Everybody on both sides was done in short order, and those who left the BG were replaced with new ones. After 15 minutes or so everybody was done, and we went into normal mode and actually finished the BG. We had a good 50 or so players done.
AB wasn't very hard, it just took a bit of capping like normal.
EotS is still a pain, but clears up as people get it done.
The faster you let people finish this stuff, the faster stuff will start getting back to normal. It sucks big time and is pretty stupid, but sometimes you just have to be practical.
Comentario de
revenar
Be prepared for different results. I finished my achievement this morning, so I thought I'd be helpful to some horde in WSG...lay down arms and all that. So I went to their base, picked up their flag, dropped it. They looked at me, looked at the flag, looked at me...and brutalized me.
Then returned the flag.
Be prepared for unfriendly people!
Comentario de
euology
Hopefully I can get some guildies together and we can knock it out. :/ If I don't get this one done in a couple days I'm not going to bother with the rest of it. I don't pvp so I'm just going to get rolled out there.
Comentario de
YukoValis
when I did warsong both sides were sick and tired of trying to get this achievement. So we both somehow made a truce. They took and dropped the flag over and over, and we did the same thing. It was kind of nice :) After that most of the other team left, so we slowly won, and I got the 0 to 3 achievement as well.
Comentario de
australis
In WSG today, I saw a surprisingly helpful DK attempt to convey "I will pick up and drop the flag so you all can get credit for a return", but the strange gestures we saw shocked and infuriated us. It was only after he dropped the flag and stood there that we realized what his intention was, but (alas!) it was too late.
SITUATIONAL AWARENESS. Know that everyone is in the same boat for these achievements, and some people on the opposite faction are willing to cooperate.
Comentario de
justone73
This is absolutely the worst holiday ever. Whoever came up with this is a complete IDIOT! I'm not gonna get my violet drake just because of this crap...
Comentario de
Baldulf
BTW, you do not get credit for *defending* a flag in AB; i.e., if you turn a contested flag back to your side, no good. It's gotta be an enemy flag, a neutral flag, or a flag going enemy that was previously neutral.
Comentario de
Puckish
Making these individual accomplishments was an absolutely terrible game design decision. Not only are the Battlegrounds ruined with people ignoring the game, but they're actively working AGAINST each other in them.
I was doing AB today and was 90% done capping the Farm when my own teammate paladin used
Hand of Protection
on me to stop my cap so he could start one. He got 50% in and five Allies jumped us and neither of us got our achievement.
These absolutely should have been "
Win
each Battleground with your Orphan out" and not these awful every-man-for-himself achievements.
Comentario de
Baldulf
Wow...
...but hey, that's kind of a good idea. ;-p
Comentario de
TheBestHunter
Definitely a hard achievement, but possible to do.
Just did it, like 40 minutes ago (23:50 Server Time) on 1/5/2009 (Woo)
Gz to all others, who got it :)
And gl to all those, trying to do it :)
Comentario de
Lugklash
Irritating achievement, but not as bad as the old Be Mine! achievement. You can either put together a premade for farming achievements, or hope to get lucky in a pug. I personally pugged all mine the first day before my guild could get a premade rolling. Expect everyone else to be going for the same achievements, and expect the "hardcore" bgers to complain the whole time about you caring more about your achievement than winning. EoTS was the worst since it was the holiday weekend and players on both sides were actually looking to win. None of them were particularly fun as a healer.
I understand that blizzard wants its players to experience all aspects of this game, but I wish they'd respect the wishes of those of us who were tired of battlegrounds before TBC was even released, and the livelihood of those who DO enjoy battlegrounds by not forcing people who don't enjoy battleground pvp into battlegrounds.
Comentario de
angell06
Personally, EoS, AB. WSG wasn't all that hard.
WSG we did the /wait idea and the horde helped us complete the achievement.
However in my opinion the AV achievement is the hardest, you have 30 ppl try to cap a few towers, not fair at all.
Blizz needs to change it so that you jsut have to be in the tower.
Comentario de
Miletus
As someone who hates PvP but loves some of the achievements, why not keep the achievements and PvP separate? They don't have to get rid of either; just don't make us do one to get the other.
Comentario de
WildKarrde
This accomplishment is effing HELL!
I did it, finally... but I'm still !@#$ed off. I didn't make a warlock for PvP, they die in 1-2 hits and just can't deal damage fast enough. On top of that, I'm in a battlegroup full of morons... which is why I made a PvE character in the first place.
This accomplishment is definitely one of the worse I've ever done... and that's not coming from someone who's never done PvP. My main used to be a lvl 70 rogue decked out with the best piece of PvP gear available in each slot. But as I mentioned before, PvP just wasn't fun due to the amount of people in my battlegroup who didn't have a clue how to play. I despise the fact that I was forced to spend the whole day in battlegrounds for a meta-accomplishment I've been working on for almost a year... which has had nothing to do with PvP up until now.
Comentario de
Turkey111
This achievement was by far the hardest to get. I got mine today but purely out of luck!
Here's what happened: So there's 40 Allys all running for the first tower in AV, some get side tracked by some Horde we collide with, other's didn't seem to care and just went for Galv. So there was about 5 or 6 of us all rushing for the tower with our orphans out when a Shaman/Druid runs to us and pops that spell that mass entangles (Forgive my lack of knowledge I have never played a Shaman or a Druid). So there everyone is entangled, everyone but me! So I carelessly run up the tower, AoE fear the archer mobs and get the tower. It honestly could not have worked out better :)
Comentario de
Rankler
Yeah the contrasts are kind of amazing. For AV, I was the first person to the tower and there was an enemy Alliance standing at the flag dancing, he let me take it and didn't do a thing to stop me, so I /thank'd him at the end. Later on I'm in AB and I see some hunter with her orphan out capping a flag, I run up to it but don't touch her at all, letting her get the achievement. Then as soon it's done I move up to cap it myself (with my orphan out) and she immediately sends her pet on my and starts opening fire. Way to pay back a little kindness.
Comentario de
Saintbush
I must be bugged cause im not getting credit for the tower in AV and the response from a GM was we'll look into it
Comentario de
Kvasaari
I don't get what you all are whining. This achievement is easy to get, even for hc pve'er like myself. The only part which was semi-challenging was capturing an AV tower. It's just matter of luck if you're the first one to cap it. AB was the easiest, EotS second and WSG is again matter of luck.
This is one of the funniest meta-achievements there is. If you can't do this in 2 hours, either you or your server/faction sucks.
Comentario de
Lausten
Worst one is defenetly the stupid Assault in AV.. I spent like 3 hours trying to get it now.. And still no luck. Eighter the towers is SWARMED with hordes. Or then there is so random dude that takes it without even doing the achivement.
Grr... I have when Blizzard makes these pointless achivements.
Comentario de
erc131
Edit: Here's a theory to test: Is it possible that you get credit if someone else performs the action who is in your pre-formed group and don't get credit when you're only in the battleground-assigned group?
Nope, I tried this in a group of 4 guildies today at WSG - it doesn't count for your achievement until you personally perform the action, even if someone in your pre-formed group has done it.
Comentario de
maruf42
Gawd! Your preparation makes my attempts sounds so naive. Well, in fact I did all of these going into each BG only once. As an Alliance, in AB I targetted Gold Mine as most of the people will be after Stable, Lumber Mill or Blacksmith, and got my task done in the first few second of the battle.
In AV, I keep my child out and as soon as the battle started I mounted and start running. I wasn't the first one in the group, but here is what I did, instead of targetting the first available Horde tower I run toward the last one, and at each tower I saw many people going in leaving me uncontested when I reach the tower I wanted to assult.
In EotS, as soon as the battle start I went to the flag respawn point, and get the flag, and run to the tower where most Allaince party members to capture it, as soon as we capture the tower, I capture the flag.
In WSG, well - its the tricky one. I was hiding in a corner of the room, waiting for some Horde to pick the flag, and as soon as some1 did, I start following him, hitting while one hand on mouse waiting for the flag to drop. Most Hordes were waiting in their area for the same achievement, so almost none was helping the flag carrier - makes my job easy, and as soon as the flag drops, I clicked, outclicking the other person with his child.
Well, I did them being a Warrior and not a Rogue.
Comentario de
Saintbush
ok Im at my wits end....Im horde and alinace has control over the tower i then take the tower from them and it does not give me credit for it ive done it 5 times now wtf gives what else am i missing I have my orphan out and its not giving me credit
Comentario de
jessejtm
lol i play a holy pally with arua mastery... i beat everyone to the bunkers in av and to the first flag in AB so its no problem for me to get those. and the vengance batlle group is ally dominated so i have about 100 chances per bg to kill one and retake the flag. eots will be hard >_> nothing beats 1 vs 10 trying to grab a flag and run like hell to a non controlled base.
Comentario de
jessejtm
LAWL people are comlaining about this one? are you kidding me. this is all skill, this is what an achievment should be. you want one to complain about try a valid BS achievment like Be mine
Comentario de
TairenSC
I agree with most of you. These PVP achievements suck for those of us who just don't like to PVP. I joined a PVE server for that reason alone and to stick us with achievements that require it is completely stupid. Does Blizz check these sites and see what their fans say because it might actually help improve how well they are liked if they did.
Comentario de
xstaindx
If you don't do much BGs in AV: If you're horde capturing a bunker in AV will award you credit. Good Luck in the mad dash at the start.
Comentario de
Tucker28
Actually, you're right. I am a achievement junkie, but I absolutely despise WSG, AB and EOTS. Whether they remove it from the meta or not, I don't care. I won't be getting the proto-drake. I want it, but not that bad. I have better things to do with my time.
Comentario de
wallix
All Blizz had to do was make it so you had to
win
each of these BG's with your orphan out. That would've fostered some teamwork, a respectable challenge, and...it would be fun (Remember that, Blizz?)!
Comentario de
RaidHealer
This achievement is living hell.
So far I've completed the Warsong glutch and Arathi basin one.
AV shouldn't be too hard if alliance/horde are cooprative and help you get it.
Eye of the storm is just... HELL... Theres 10+ people always fighting for the flag... I was in eye of the storm for 45+ minutes with 0 caps, we won evenutally b/c of tower control.. but it was just insane.
This achievement needs to be either not counted for the title, changed and made easier, or totally gotten rid off.
This achievement is completely unfair for Pvpers.
Comentario de
hotet
"
Assault a tower
" is actually "
Assault a
bunker
" in Hordes' case, and NOT "
Defend a tower
".
Comentario de
garrison13
Managed this surprisingly easily for a non pvp'ing warlock.
The way I did AV was to run straight for Dun Baldur South from the off, let someone else go in first to pull the Alliance corporal, run up to flag and cap while out of LOS of the archers.
Comentario de
Wafs
I got this today, and AV was the hardest one by far.
I lucked out hardcore on this, the last tower had 4 hordies who weren't attacking us, and told us in horde speak not to kill (jumbled but still understandable). They just spam healed themselves if someone started attacking, anyway, they would let us capture with an orphan, and when we did so they would quickly change it back to horde, kept doing it for everyone , so I /thanked all of them :)
Comentario de
bFusion
That's very good to know. I took back one of the Hoard towers and I didn't get the achievement. I was !@#$ed. I'll try this method.
Comentario de
WildKarrde
Yes... I thought of that, and you're right. But 50HK's is a piece of cake. You don't even need to do any work for it... just stay close to the main group. I got my G.N.E.R.D.S accomplishment from one AV match. It's a lot different than competing with 40 people to grab 4 towers, and that was only 1/4 of this accomplishment.
Comentario de
Vuljatar
It takes skill to be the
one
of 35 people zerging the towers/bunkers to get there first and not get shot while capping?
Well, I guess for the Alliance it does, but you see we don't all have it so easy. The bunker guards can interrupt flag capping.
Comentario de
dec0y
...
/wrists
Comentario de
redhed
i got so fed up with the frustration of this dumb achievement and the abuse from other players that ive cancelled my account and quit wow altogether.
Comentario de
Avalone
Anyone else have a problem with not getting credit for capping the flag in AB, even when your orphan is out? This is the only one I need and I just can't get it. I'm so mad.
Comentario de
pltr
so true. even more, this achievement makes me think about canceling my account. cause like the whole games seems no fun because of it.
Comentario de
kamiawolf
Oh man, I finally beat it. As someone who hardly ever does PvP and never even thought of setting foot in Battlegrounds, this achievement seemed impossible at first. By far, the easiest one was EotS - with everyone trying to get the flag, there were plenty of people who were nice meat shields. The hardest was WSG, especially since none of the horde on my server wanted to cooperate for the achievement. I was lucky in AV, because there was a hordie who just sat there recapping the tower so everyone could get the achievement who wanted it. I couldn't even tell you how i got AB. It seemed like that one was just really lucky!
So there's the experience of someone who has never done Battlegrounds before. If I could do it, so can you!
Comentario de
pepperfd
Okay, I understand they want us to BG more and what not, but i play on a PvE RP server .. i don't do PvP i don't Do BG's (unless needed for this meta). I HATE BG's PERIOD. I don't want to be in them but am dieing repeatedly to the point i want to throw my computer out the window.
Now here is my issue ....
It's bad enough i have to be there, but to have others who like BG's get on my case is not fair. Really the whole thing isn't fair to either side. The one's who like it have to deal with us just there for the achievements and the ones who want the title/Meta, die 50,000,000 times. (okay little extreme but you get my point) plus have to deal with serious BGers QQ about us there.
Now you have some who love both parts and YAY for them .. but this is normally a fun game, I don't like stressing about a GAME i am playing for fun.
So mostly needed to rant and vent and QQ myself to calm down so i can go die yet again.
And to all the hordies that helped in the BG thank you. Thank you for picking up and dropping the flag so we could get the achievement.
So if you happen to see a Nelf named Yukifli (believe i am still the only one) be nice and let me get the achievement. I won't bother you and if needed will return the favor.
Okay QQing over back to the game.
Comentario de
Jurandr
To those of you reading this far, I highly reccomend you stay out of whatever BG is having holidays. The BG regulars will not allow you to cap a flag in eots if they can possibly help it, and /bg chat is just horrid. Do the others, and then do eots on tuesday or whatever when like-minded achievement hunters are the majority rather than the minority.
Comentario de
Epiethius
Thought I'd add my thoughts to this crappy PvP achievement! I'm a hunter, which helps. Some experience in AV, but that was all I had and I was absolutely dreading this whole damn achievement. By some miracle I have now completed it, so here are some top tips.......
1 - make a QQ rant post on a forum. Any forum. Preferably before you've put any serious effort in to doing the achievement. I did and the sarcastic replies I got really helped drive me to do this damn thing.
2 - don't plug away at the same BG too long - it will drive you nuts. Switch to a different one, have a break, have a kit-kat, before you explode.
3 - don't try AV first. It will make you hate everyone and/or cry.
4 - when you do get around to AV, head for the furthest towers. Most achievement seekers try the nearest first, then /afk when they fail. The players heading on down actually want to kill the opposition boss more often than not and leave a tower begging to be capped.
5 - don't know if it was just luck, but spamming my /wait macro at the big bad horde trying to stop me climbing his tower worked a treat.
6 - Eye of the Storm - turns out that grabbing the flag doesn't get you far if your side has no bases. Be patient. Quite often I could see we were about to get a flag to a base and most of the opposition had followed it there. Opposition then destroyed base in fit of vengeance, leaving someone like me free to grab the newly spawned flag and score lovely points by running it in the other direction to a different base (assuming there was one!).
POTENTIAL BUG - I got the flag, got the Storm Capper achievement, had orphan running behind me, didn't get the SoHK achievement. No reply to ticket yet, but I suspect I failed because orphan was too far behind. Even so, can't have been more than about 20 yards away. Had to do it all again.
7 - Don't forget to summon your orphan after each resurrection and before you try something like flag carrying.
8 - Don't give up!
9 - Think of all those other achievements you'll get and let it motivate you. I got 5 PvP ones doing this, including guaranteed achievements like Storm Capper. Still haven't won WSG though.....
10 - Don't just /afk when you've done the task. It's rude and lazy. Take the opportunity to feel self-righteous by sticking with the BG and wreaking bloody vengeance on all those who made you do AV 39 times today.
Comentario de
banananaz
This is the only achievement I seem to have had trouble with thus far in my attempt to get the proto-drake. I have done good so far and I would hate to not be able to get it at least on my main but this achievement seems nigh impossible so far for me :-/ I am really strictly PvE so yea, this is ludicrous! Worse as all the RNG related achievements.
GG blizz, make the toons who like PvP *!@#ed off because we are there and make the PvE toons @#$%ed off because we have to be there >.>
Comentario de
toscjada
I agree - I don't do BG's so have neither the experience nor the equipment. It was hard enough completing the achievement while in costume (earning so many kills), but to actually capture a flag? You gotta be kidding me right?
Comentario de
Keppler258
This isn't entirely true.
Using this combination -will- get you to the middle faster than anybody else. But if the opposing side has anybody rushing strait to the flag, they still have time to get there before you'll have time to actually pick it up. Basically this strategy is great most of the time, but during this holiday with everybody scrambling to get the same thing? Odds are you're better off using it just to get there and defend early.
What it IS good for is capping a flag in AB. Rushing strait out of the gate there is enough of a hill to jump and float to either the farm or the stables and cap it well before anybody else from your team has a chance to get there.
Comentario de
wallix
Previously, when I would get to Icewing I'd burst in, Blink, and try to always be the first one there. But I was never able to cap because the arrows from the archers always interrupted me. So the final time I tried something a little different. I actually made it to Icewing first, but instead of running in guns-a-blazing, I let 3-4 people pass me by just a little. They all ran up and were humping the flag, and they took all the aggro from the archers. I literally walked right up to the mass and grabbed the flag. It's not a sure-fire trick, but I think it will greatly improve your chances.
*edit* And if you are a Mage be sure you let your Mirror Images go nuts as they will draw even more fire from you.
Comentario de
Alptraum
Not nearly as hard as I thought it would be. Took me 2 AVs to get the tower cap, only one of all the others battlegrounds. And I am a clothy (warlock).
Comentario de
Pyropa
I know a few people on my server who have this title already and surprise, surprise they are palys and rogues. >.>
As a healing priest I find that this is probably going to wreck my chances at this title. The Hordies on my server aren't even remotely cooperative and my allys suck just as badly for not allowing the enemy to complete some of these achievements. There has been no truce in any of the battles I've done since this event started.
I've completed all the titles from Hallow's End through to Noblegarden and to be shut down this far in the 'What A Long, Strange Trip It's Been' ach it's horribly disappointing. The 'With a Little Helper from My Friends' achievement was easy compared to this PvP one. At least I had a chance to heal and still have kills count for me if I was in the proximity before the enemy noticed they had a healer to exterminate. Granted it took about 20 battlegrounds to accomplish but it was doable. Had that achievement said that I would personally have to have 50 killing blows while still in costume? Well.. I'd have given up right there. I get one or two killing blows per battle by accident if I'm VERY lucky and If I manage to DoT some enemy players. To do that over and over again and maintain that costume would have been just as bad as this achievement.
This nonsense of being ~the~ person to capture the objectives reeks of injustice to the squishier classes. I'm not a stanger to PvP and I'm not QQing that we have PvP requirements in some of the World Events but I really hope Bliz removes this from the requirements since they didn't rethink how this achievement could be accomplished by all the players.
Comentario de
Kabby
The word "
tower
" apparently translates to "
bunker
" in Orcish.
These are the towers that will count for this achievement in Alterac Valley:
Alliance Towers (Horde captures these):
Dun Baldar North Bunker
Dun Baldar South Bunker
Icewing Bunker
Stonehearth Bunker
Horde Towers (Alliance captures these):
West Frostwolf Tower
East Frostwolf Tower
Tower Point
Iceblood Tower
Map locations are approximate.
Comentario de
rodmin
Did you noticed if he had his orphan out or not?
It's the most obvious reason to me atm, i think.
Comentario de
ithilyn
In AV, I keep my child out and as soon as the battle started I mounted and start running. ...instead of targetting the first available Horde tower I run toward the last one, and at each tower I saw many people going in leaving me uncontested when I reach the tower I wanted to assult.
I did the same and had surprisingly little resistance getting to the farthest bunker, and got the achievement. Good tip, thanks.
Comentario de
Lugklash
10 - Don't just /afk when you've done the task. It's rude and lazy. Take the opportunity to feel self-righteous by sticking with the BG and wreaking bloody vengeance on all those who made you do AV 39 times today.
Haha, I did exactly that actually. I was in an EotS with us holding 3 bases, 1800something to 1500ish with us in the lead, and after I capped the flag for the achievement, I told everyone thanks and /afked. Such is the disdain I have for the BG system.
Comentario de
ithilyn
A lot of determination and no small amount of dumb luck got me this achievement. If you're having trouble, don't get discouraged, just keep trying. And if you run out of time, remember, there's always next year. It's not as far off as it seems.
Edited 7 years later to remove some of the QQing about the PvP component. It may be tough for non-PvPers but it's a satisfying part of the achievement once completed. And the sad thing is, I never use this drake, because it's pink. That's a little jab Blizzard put in there for those of us "remembering what we're fighting for" while, presumably, everyone else is off raiding and earning real drakes.
While the
Ha sido un largo y raro viaje
achievement is, overall, satisfying, and one I'll always be proud of, at this point, if you just want a cool drake, you'd be better off soloing
La gloria del asaltante de Ulduar (10 j.)
and getting
Riendas de protodraco herrumbroso
.
Comentario de
deaiel
this one was quite easy did it a couple hours. The one i wished they would take out is the one in Utgarde... I haven't done an instance since sunken temple 2+ years ago. 3 attempts and 3 fails grouping sucks
Comentario de
jessika
I seem to be one of the lucky ones; a guildie and I did BGs all night to get this achievement, and a few BGs were preforms and didn't work out, but others the alliance were there to get their achievements just like we were, and they would actually help us out. Had a rogue in WSG repeatedly and intentionally pick up and drop the flag, just so we could all return it. And we, of course, returned the favor. EOTS, however, was a completely different story... >< My suggestion: Help out the opposite faction and they may just help you in return.
Comentario de
jessika
And some of us that never pvp wish they would drop the pvp achievement... At least UP is easier to achieve than this one, especially if you run it on reg its a piece of cake even with a pug.
Comentario de
Mirre
Okay guys, I know it seems impossible at first but I just did it (finally). I am a priest, and I thought this was absolutely undoable. But here's how I did it - and believe me I was furious at Blizz for 2 days before suddenly figuring it out.
After about 7 games in EotS I got lucky and everyone was drawn away from the flag for a few seconds.
After about 20 tries in AV and getting super mad, I finally took a paladin (helps if they're a good pvper). His mount speed increase + his survivability saved me. We just ran straight up to the south tower at dun balder and I capped it while he distracted the NPCs.
The first AB I tried I just ran straight to mine, capped it, done.
The first WSG I tried it took about 30mins but I did finally manage to elbow the other horde out of the way and return the flag.
Hope this helps, it's really not as hard as it seems. Granted, we should still be mad at Blizz for ruining bg games for those who actually WANT to be in there. A very poorly designed achievement, yes. Impossible? No.
The key is to get a couple friends to help you. You don't need a whole premade, or even a whole party. Just 1 or 2 people who are willing to help increase your chances.
Comentario de
Tucker28
Like others that have posted about this, I've also been thinking of cancelling my account because of these pvp achievements. I hate pvp, Blizz... why do you think I'm playing on a PvE server? I'm tired of being forced to pvp just so I can get these achievements and earn the mount. But more than that, I feel for the pvp players out there. All of their BG's have been ruined for the week as they have to suffer from all of us non-pvp players suddenly flooding their games and ruining the fun for them. It's the overall picture that has me thinking of cancelling my account... with Blizz popping things like this in, it makes me wonder where they're going to take the game.
Blizzard? A suggestion here... how about you get it through your head that some people love pvp and some people hate it? These attempts at forcing non-pvp fans to "experience" it do NOT cause us to suddenly think "hey! I've had it all wrong! this is fun!". We still hate it. And what's worse is you ruin things for the people who love pvp because they have to suffer through those of us who don't coming in and ruining their games.
Comentario de
Wendello
AV is by far going to be the hardest. With 39 other peeps trying for the piddly few towers this is going to be very difficult for a non-BG player like myself.
Comentario de
Trippid
I'm not much for pvping, and I don't even use a pvp trinket to say the least. As a shaman with imp ghostwolf getting the EotS flag wasn't actually that difficult - the hardest part was ensuring we actually had a tower to bring it back to.
WSG wasn't too bad either, I guess being a spammy clicker when the flag carrier is about to die is a bonus here.
AB seems simple enough so far, I haven't gotten it, but that was my own fault. Essentially just be the first to get to farm flag and hope to heck you clicked fast enough :P
As for AV... I did click and cap it when it was grey turning blue for the Alliance, but I did not get credit. I had my orphan out and another Horde near me said he had the same problem. Any confirmation on needing a tower to be fully blue/red to get the achiev?
**And on a side note I'm utterly suprised by what these achievs did to my battle group. Pretty much every single battleground I've been in trying to complete the achievements was a win for Horde. It was a little odd considering since WotLK Horde in this battlegroup have a history of bg failures.**
Comentario de
sullys0
why do i have 3 alts o.O
Comentario de
Keppler258
After a lot of frustration at getting the EotS flag, I was starting to wish this achievement would be altered or taken off of the meta for the holiday.
But...
in the end, I really hope it stays. I absolutely hate PvP and didn't even go into these with one piece of PvP gear, so I really wasn't looking forward to the requirements to this achievement; so far they've probably been the hardest ones to accomplish outside of the purely random ones like the bag of candies for The Love Fool.
But that's exactly why it -should- stay, as is. It's the random (or double random, in the bag of candies case) achievements that should be looked at as "unfair". The most dedicated person in the world can still not get the random rewards, but these PvP achievements...even if they're annoying...are right there in plain view. It may be hard to go get them, but this is one of those things that separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
I was cursing at the screen over people without orphans capping the EotS flag just out of spite. I even managed to cap it once myself -without- my orphan out and had to go do it again. But in the end, I got it done. And if I'd just stayed calm and not let all the petty %^&* get to me, I would've gotten it done without raising my blood pressure. And now I can stay out of EotS until another holiday achievement happens to require it.
Blizz, keep this achievement in there and don't change a thing about it. Just because some particularly vocal people kick and scream and flail, that shouldn't mean they should be hand fed the reward just to keep them quiet. I understand people loathing PvP; I'm one of them. But with the overal meta-holiday achievement, and the Violet Proto-Drake it rewards, we're all going to have to bite a bullet somewhere along the line. You draw a series of achievements up over the course of a year or more then there's no way you're going to make everybody happy with them. Suck it up, go get your achievement, and keep working toward that drake......or don't. The choice is purely up to you.
Comentario de
goatsicle
I was prepared for the worst after reading these posts in anticipation of the holiday.
I did all of the other parts of the meta first, feeling that i would need the rest of the week to be frustrated.
I felt the achievement should be removed because of the bias against certain classes (and the bias against me: i just suck as a pvp'r).
I seldom have done bgs since wotlk came out.
AV first try -- lucky to cap TP after the horde stole it
AB first try -- capped mines while a huge melee ensued, i was ignored :)
EoS first try -- ran right to MT, waited to have control, ran to flag, grabbed it and ran back unabated
WSG fifth try -- i could never seem to click on the flag before someone else, until i got lucky
the moral of the story: try it before you really complain, it's really not that bad. just hope to get lucky, and be in the right place at the right time.
if i could do it, so could you
-goat
Comentario de
Dunefire
Its sad to Say i kinda Suck at pvp as well, my biggest contribution to any BG is tying up 3-5 people trying to kill me because i usally have 7-10k more HP than everybody else there not in full pvp gear, after 5 AB attempts, and as many on EotS and WSG, i gave up on this achievement sadly. I agree that it should have been different set-up for this acheviment playing to the middle of the road players, or have a PvP element that is a brother to a PvE element like a choice of doing Heroics or BG. That would be the best IMO. Let the +/- begin
Comentario de
Sarkreth
This whole achievement is soloable by a shadow priest (raid dps spec clothy) with no PvP gear (albeit pretty good raid gear), as just proven by yours truly.
WSG- 2nd or 3rd try
EotS- 2nd try
AB- 1st try
AV- 2nd try
All this is is just seizing the proper oppotunities. If I can do it, I daresay any skilled player can. Quit your QQing, buckle down, and do it. This is an achievement for a reason.
Comentario de
Krisss
This is silly.
"OMG I can't PvP please remove the achievement from drake requriments.
I want to do only those achievements that I like ! Blizz how dare you to put achievements I don't like ! Remove it now!"
I guess there are people who despise random chance of getting something and people who despise going into heroic instances...
I get it now... Blizzz give us the drake now ! We want it !
Or learn to play? PvP is actually a part of this game...
Comentario de
staticmajor
WHY THE @#$% DOES IT HAVE TO BE IN A @#$%ING BG? @#$%ING #$%^ ACHIVMENT
Comentario de
TalonX
Sometimes I wish I could just get the Blizzard developer who made these achievements and blow his knee caps off.
I enjoy PvP, my dual spec as a priest is a Disco PvP build, I hate these achievements, I want to be able to support and work for the betterment of the BG, instead I am pulling my hair out for 5 $%^&ING HOURS trying to do things I don't normal go for cause I am trying to keep the people doing them alive while assisting in killing or capping. I basically had to say screw it and just had to let people die most the times to get what I want. I had to work for myself and screwed the rest of the BG most the time and I really really hated having to do it.
This achievement won't be removed from the meta, it can be gotten within the time period, you may want to shoot someone afterwards , but it is still obtainable.
Thank you again Blizzard for making me want to pay you $14 a month so I can get stress ulcers.
Comentario de
Zmanz
AB- not so hard just raced everyone to the flag and got it first
WSG- kinda hard since there was holy/prot pally with the flag accompanied by a priest but we got him down and i was spam clicking the air to get flag and got it
EotS- pretty easy, we took turns with the flag since no horde were there
AV- hardest to get, took me 3 hours to get it, i went into the enemies territory at end of map and raced up a tower
wzs close to getting it but got tag and interrupted by a lock, turned and tried to kill him
i almost died but a very helpful DK came by and finished him off while i got flag
THANK YOU RANDOM DK
Comentario de
Deltamarine
AB - Probably the easiest. As others have mentioned, just race to a flag in the beginning. If that doesn't work, just spend some time looking for undefended flags. If you are Alliance, hang around the Stables and recapture it when you can. If Horde, do the same for Farm.
AV - Generally not too bad. Just race to the end of the battleground and capture a tower. The opposing side is very likely doing the same and the towers on their end of the BG are usually uncontested. One of my guild members had to try capturing several times before the objective listed as completed for some reason.
EotS - This was by far the hardest for me and my guild members. We were facing constant premades and everyone was always mobbing the flag. This took several games to complete. Killing the opposing faction's flag carrier, picking up the flag and returning it seemed to work the best.
WSG - At first this was challenging because nobody would focus on the healers keeping the flag carrier alive. After people coordinated, this was pretty easy.
All in all, this took about 4 hours to complete. Not terrible, but it was frustrating at times (not a big PvPer, even though I play on a PvP realm). I'd rather have spent that time doing something else.
Comentario de
darkye
And do not forget kids:
The fastest your mount is the larger your epen is!
Comentario de
myrmidonblack
This achievement is really driving me to find the ISP's of these morons & commit murder - seriously. Im play horde on a server where we are usually not victorious in AV (or any BG for that matter) as the horde is STUPID.
That being said, i spent my Sunday afternoon trying to get this. As a hunter, i had little difficulty capping the flag in EotS, and same for grabbing a base in AB. Only 1 attempt needed for each. WsG suprisingly wasn't that difficult either, i just camped in our base, waited for the alliance to grab the flag, and - well you all know what happens next.
AV - this is going to drive me to assassinate people i swear. I nearly broke my keyboard in frustration 2x. As is the Horde players arent dumb enough as it is, the alliance just sits back to defend the main chokepoints, and we cannot get through. ( the smart ones try to go around, but what are 3 ppl going to do against 15 defenders lol). That combined with 40 people all trying to cap the tower 1st, no one is paying attention to the little things ....such as the NPC archers, and the alliance laughing their asses off - a little AoE goes a long way in stopping the capping process, and watching 5-6 people ALL trying to re-cap the flag and NOT KILL ANYONE.
The only positive thing that I can get from this heinous experience, is the fact that i've gotten over 40K honor and usually lead the the raid in HK's and KB's ...attributed since no one cares about the raid itself, just the damn achievement. Not that i am good at all (i'm actually PvE specced no less) it just shows how little anyone its tryng to actually win.
My advise:
If you enjoy PVP - DO NOT go into any of these BG's, especially AV, till after Children's Week is over - and pray that Blizzard will revise this achievement.
If you are going for this achievement, prepare to be blacklisted & hunted down if you dont help the rest of us trying to actually win for a change. A little cooperation and kindness go a long way, I am sure if you took a moment to help your teammate, they would do the same for you.
Comentario de
Jysafae
For AV, even as a Hunter, I lucked out and just ran straight south to the East and West Towers of Frostwolf Keep. There were no Horde around, and apparently most of my Allies felt storming the first two towers (Iceblood & Tower Point) along the way was a better choice, so that in itself shed many competitors for the last two towers. I ran up to the top of the West Tower, LoS'd the guards who left me alone after I entered the flag room, and voila, flag was all mine! Purely luck, but at the same time, fairly easy knowing that most people tend to charge for the first available towers they see.
AB was merely a race to the Stables, first attempt, very easy.
I have yet to do EotS and WSG, and being a non-pvper, I do not look forward to these lol.
Good luck.
Comentario de
Utukku
Well, as I'm a PvE player, I can understand all of you when you complain about this particular achievement.
But you all should try more than once before complaining. I'm a holy/disc PvE priest and I managed to get the achievement with 0 resilience. None of these things are impossible for anyone, even for ppl that don't play PvP.
You have a whole week to try, so give it a chance.
I really prefer to try to make a hard achievement than to /cry and get it removed... even if I cannot complete it. Achievements should be hard, that's what I really think.
Comentario de
Belse
I don't get what all the complaints are about. EotS was easy (but this might have been due to a organized group of alliance holding 2-3 towers while we gave the flag to the one who needed it)
AB was just as easy. I ran straight for the GM and got it
AV was a little harder and it took 2 tries but I just had to run past the field of strife and hope their GY timer wasn't over just when I passed to get it.
I haven't done WSG but everybody says it's easy so I don't worry
Comentario de
Alptraum
Not sure why this got modded down. I'm just trying to point out that, even for a class not especially suited to capping flags, etc, this is a doable achievement. There's not all that much bg knowledge required, so with a bit of patience most people should be able to do this.
Comentario de
noname111
i do feel for the dedicated pvp'ers who feel like their game gets ruined periodically by having pvp noobs running around looking only to get an achievment in a bg. I played for about a year and a half before i stepped foot into a bg. And the only reason I went then was because a friend got me hooked on completing the seasonal achievements. And I was not happy about the pvp requirements. But i gotta say, I found out that i actually LIKED pvp. Not all the time....not enough to respec or regear for it...but enough to jump in and participate once in a while. I'm a healer and I know i am contributing in a worthwhile way when I'm there. And i wouldn't ever have been there if Bliz didn't "push" me into it via the achievement system. Makes sense to me that they find ways to get people to explore all aspects of the game. :)
Comentario de
berny
just to say i h8 this one :D just hating it from deep of my soul ^^ but i will do it
Comentario de
Sithicus
I feared this achievement for a long time and wasn't sure how it would end up once Children's Week actually started. Judging from the above posters I got pretty lucky.
EoTS - Ran straight down the cliff when the bubble popped open and did a b-line for the flag..was at 20% health and saw 2 horde running towards me but somehow they got crushed before they ever stopped me from grabbing the flag...total luck. First try.
WSG - Took me two tries but eventually got it just by camping the base and following the enemy flag carrier until he got creamed. Tip - the flag is actually there as soon as the carrier dies but due to lag is may not show up right away on screen...as soon as the guy drops start clicking all around as fast as you can.
AB - Another lucky one. First try I somehow got out of the gate ahead of the group. I happened to be grouped with a pally with the speed buff who did not go to stables.
AV - This one worried me but some cool horde helped me out. I ran up the tower and did a quick /plead and /point (to the orphan) to the guy guarding the flag. He /nodded and let me cap, then took it back...I then capped it again for his buddy who was also there and we all got it. Good times....how I get a nice couple month break before the Midsummer Fire Festival!
Comentario de
Pyropa
I thought I'd go ahead and post an update:
WSG and AV are complete and total nightmares... I've done both 12 times now. I've been doing one till I'm completely and totally disgusted then I'll switch to the other. Unfortunately I'm in groups where they actually want to win the darned matches and those two really aren't condusive to playing the ~right~ way.
Managed to get the other two .. both took 3 tries each. And for both it was complete and total luck that got me the credit for them. In EOTS some stupid DK took the flag from the neutral spot twice and taunted me that I wouldnt' get the ach while he was playing. It's bad enough the hordies want to farm allys with orphans for honor, FAR worse that our own allys are making a personal game out of making sure that their team memebers don't get the flag when they are around.
I have a question also, do we have until the event is over or until the whistles expire? I have 4 days on mine. I'll prolly go get a "fresh" orphan tomorrow night if I don't somehow manage to get those other two BGs complete. I did 4 WSG's tonight and no luck so I'm not very hopefull about tomorrow. :<
Comentario de
Selayna
This is not the worst achievement, but it certainly makes the top 5. The worst was brew of the year. The second worst was the valentines day candy achievement. This is a solid third worst, though. It is not fun, not fair, and ruins battlegrounds ( which I actually play and enjoy from time to time).
Comentario de
Loganvice
My guess is that this is a pun on the movie, "School of Rock" with Jack Black in it. :)
Comentario de
blackpixie
I honestly hope I'm not the only one to make this connection, but it seems to me that this achievement title is referencing the musical "Annie", specifically the song "It's a hard knock life". Considering the movie is about an orphan, I don't see how this achievement could be referencing anything else.
Comentario de
stillnotking
it seems to me that this achievement title is referencing the musical "Annie", specifically the song "It's a hard knock life"
I dunno, I think they'd be more specific if they were talking about Annie rather than the generic expression.
These achievements REALLY needed more Little Orphan Annie and/or Oliver Twist references.
Comentario de
stillnotking
I am lucky. And Blizzard has a poorly implemented achievement. We travel on...
Actually I'd say you were extremely
un
lucky if it took you that many WSGs to return one flag. I did all these achievements in one BG each, except the AV one, which took 2, because I joined the first match halfway through. I even used the opportunity to get most of
Dinner Impossible
.
Comentario de
turi
as usally blizz gives a ^&*! about our needs, and thay wont remove this.
School of Hard Knocks
Your choice of options for those that designed this achievement are somewhat stilted. We hear your frustration and, well, we understand. Unfortunately, this achievement is not meant to be "super easy". It's something you have to ... what is the word... achieve. There are certain other achievements in this particular world event that are very simple and that's fine, but not all achievements are supposed to be on that level. It just so happens that this one in particular isn’t meant to be a super-easy achievement.
Does that mean it’s unduly hard? Not at all. I’ve completed this achievement on one character and almost completed it with another (I just need to cap the flag in EotS). I know other people who are having a harder time of it, but they see the achievement becoming more accessible throughout the week. Perhaps if this was Children’s "Day", this particular achievement may be very difficult, but spread over a week, it’s truly very accessible. Try simply setting a goal to get one portion of it done every day. Or organize a group of friends with the same goal to further this achievement.
(Source)
Comentario de
Nighthawke
Well I have 3 of the 4, but AV is killing me, I have personally captured the flags several times in the Dun Baldar North and South Bunker with my orphan out and nobody else there, still no credit for the achievement! WTH!
On the bright side I am now 10121 of 12000 into honored and have received a lot of Alterac Valley Marks. I have put way too many hours into this damn achievement.
Alas, I will not give up, I am going to try the orphan from Org, maybe the Shattrah one just does not like me anymore, complains of too much killing. Poor traumatized little creature.
Comentario de
kwicked
Assault a tower in Alterac Valley
A trick for non DKs (on a pale horse) or paladins on Alliance (same concept with horde just different tower names). If you are a paladin or DK with pale horse, even better:
Having some sort of potion that increases your run speed will help.
Step 1: At the beginning of the game, look for a paladin with a kid out. Chances are this guy is trying to get a tower achievement and most likely will have crusader aura on (hopefully even aura mastery so he'll even get a little boost).
Step 2: Follow this guy as closely as possible when the game starts (run through the lake with him) and chances are he'll be going to the Ice Blood Tower (the closest one). Once you both run in there with your mount and when you get auto dismounted, hit sprint or rocket boots or whatever else you have to dash up the tower faster than the paladin. (Hint: At the very top go left instead of right to avoids the bowmen and get into the flag room more quickly)
Optional: If you notice that Ice Blood Tower is impossible because someone else made it way before, Tower Point isn't far away and if you stuck with the right paladin you should be the first one there.
I know it sounds greedy but the people who never PvP and aren't familiar with how AV works are going to have a painful time with this achievement. If you fail to get the flag in the AV game, don't leave yet, take a chance to get familiar with the towers so you don't fall off or something dashing up to the top. Good luck and remember to have your kid out!
Comentario de
Tamsk
The reason it should be removed (or, preferably, nerfed to 1 or 2 of 4) isn't because it's hard; it's because it's
unbalanced
, with some classes and specs having a much more straightforward time of it than others. Requiring the actions to be taken personally means that support classes are forced to act against their role.
Comentario de
Thadyn
You may also want to create a macro to notify the opposing faction of your intentions.
/wait
/target Orphan
/point
/target last
/wait
They might stop killing you and and actually assist your team in completing the achievements - as long as you assist them.
WSG - have one person pick up their flag, then drop it in their flag room for one of them to return. Continue until their whole team gets the achievement. Odds are, they will do the same for you.
EoTS - each faction take a turn returning a flag. (Only 1 base controlled per faction)
AB/AV - assault a flag/tower, let them defend it, then let someone else assault. (If each person needs to assault)
Server: US-Coilfang
Toon:
Talisin
- Horde
Battlegroup: Retaliation
AB/AV were both very easy for me to get done, only took one try.
WG took a few tries. I mainly just waited in the flag room with a few other players and took turns returning the flag after we killed the flag carrier.
EoTS was hardest for me as it was the Holiday weekend. After many tries and a lot of nerd rage I stripped down my armor and ran up to the flag naked with my Orphan out. No one attacked me and as the battle raged on around me I was allowed to grab the flag and return it. "Worked for me, might work for someone else."
Also big thanks for the help from
both
sides on this achievement.
Comentario de
arissa
Give me a minus rating all you want, but I'm finding this incredibly annoying to complete as a mage. I don't have a team to help me and right now I feel like banging my head against a wall. WSG is a pain for some reason and I tried it all. I tried the macro posted here and I dropped the flag for the Alliance. They gladly pick it up and kill me afterwards. /sigh
I've only been playing for 2 months and my gear is poor; having the lowest stats in the entire BG doesn't help much.
I'm about to give up, and I really wanted to start working on a violet proto-drake...
Comentario de
voyager78
I agree those of us that do not run pvp or have no gear to do it makes this very hard wish wow would redo this achivement for that reason
Comentario de
SaintVengeance
I wish, after trying for hours, that I could return the damn flag in WSG. Pretty much all I come up against either kill me or just watch as I get knifed by a rogue.
Using "/wait" was an epic fail.
Comentario de
LoqueNahak
A Hunter's feedback
(never PvP'ed in my wow career)
Notes:
level 80
blue/emblem gear
zero PvP experience/skill/knowledge
zero PvP gear
zero BG's knowledge (maps, tactics, locations, ...)
crappy reflexes, button smasher (I know...)
I tried with my my primary MM spec but speed was not enough to beat other competitors. Specced BM with talents in
Pathfinding
(+10% mounted speed)
really
helps a lot when running for the tower (AV) or assaulting the 1st flag (AB). It will also help you running away in (EotS) as soon as you grab the flag in the middle of the map.
When it comes to (WG)... well
that's pure luck
, no matter what you try to do. Speed does not count as you will be constantly stunned, slowed, feared or just frozen to the ground as son as you shot the flag carrier. On my realm the "/beg /point
<children>
/wait" did not work at all: instead, they just kept destroying me as never before, maybe with more anger (if possible).
The only thing I did was staying as close as possible to the flag carrier hoping to be ignored by others and be ready to grab the flag as soon as possible. I did 10 WG runs. First 8 did not produce anything but frustration. 9th allowed me to kill the Horde player AND grab the flag... but I forgot my child (ARGH!). 10th I was able to followe the flag carrier and kill him with some other alliance players. I was lucky because everyone was frozen/rooted and I had those 2 seconds to click the flag and get the achievement done. Pure luck, that's all.
Overall I think Blizzard should just remove this achievement from the meta. Yes I was able to complete it but as a pure PvE player I felt very frustrated, useless and noob while running the BG's. I've been a sstupid player who joined BG's just for my personal interests (achievement) more than actually help other people. I did not like that, I think it's just a bad way to introduce PvE veterans to PvP.
To sum it up: 2 out of 4 achievements (tower and flag capping) are doable if you're fast and no Paladins are doing the same. 2 are just a matter of pure luck. Given that we got a week, I found a bit pointless forcing people to repetitively join BG's just to get the job done and then bye bye.
Comentario de
Whisternefet
Been trying to get this one for the entire week. The only thing I'm missing is the Flag Recap in WG. It's really sad that the people on my side that can see I have an orphan out recap the flag right in front of me, even though I'm right there and helped kill the flag carrier. When I ask them why they did it, all I get is verbal abuse in return. Really, this achievement brings out the worst in people. Both in the PVP'ers and in the people trying to get the achievement. (I'm guilty of AFK'ing out of AB after getting the achievement.)
I got the achievements like GNERD rage, and the fifty kills in a santa's helper costume. Those were really painless compared to this piece of work.
AV: running to the farthest tower worked for me.
EOTS: it's pure luck that I came upon the flag when everyone else had been chasing down the carrier.
AB: I ran as fast as possible to the mine.
WG: No love. From my side or the opposition. I tried the /wait /point /beg /cry and any other emote I could, as well as standing by our flag naked, with my orphan out, dancing. Multiple times. The opposition killed me as a matter of fact.
I've gotten a whole lot of tokens and honor, and got my ten tabards achievement from it. Still, having this for the meta is crazy IMHO. I hope they do something with this one. It's caused all sorts of pain to the people that want to PVP and the people looking to get their achievements done.
*Update: Finally got the achievement by dumb luck in WG. Killed the flag carrier by myself while his defenders were killing my "allies" and they were all still in the flag room some 30 yards away. Even then, I barely managed to click the flag before everyone else came after it. People on my side that weren't after the achievement were still recaping the flag and being extremely rude to the people trying to get the achievement. I guess my battlegroup is just full of people that only play to grief others.
Comentario de
MobFodder
I agree with what a lot of people have said here.
Although one day I plan to get into PvP, I’m not there just yet. For now I’m more of a casual mage raider and faction rep grinder. I only have T7 raiding gear and I don’t have any battlegrounds experience to speak of.
But I’ve been completing each world event in an effort to get that drake, and also because I enjoy the challenge. I’m a bit of an achievement junkie. But even though I’ve been playing since the EU launch, doing this achievement is the single most stressful and unenjoyable time I’ve had in the game so far.
Not only am I spending hours in battlegrounds I don’t want to be in, but people in the battlegrounds don’t want me there either. It ruins the game for both of us.
I’m there for a single-minded reason; to recover that flag or burn that tower down or whatever. I don’t know the mechanics or tactics or where things are to be found .. I just want that achievement, and when I’ve got it, I can’t afford to wait
n
hours for the battleground to finish - I have to leave so I can try the next one.
This is unfair on me and unfair on the people who are there to play the battleground the way it’s meant to be played.
After several attempts, I managed to complete EotS and AB out of pure luck, but with my gear and my lack of experience, I find myself completely unable to complete the AV or WG requirements.
Any time I get near that WG flag I get ganked, or feared and then ganked. I’ve come very close a couple of times, but with so many players in the same place, and with my slow laptop, and with no PvP gear whatsoever, it just seems like it’s not going to happen.
As for the AV tower .. I’ve only managed to find it once and it had already been captured. The rest of the time I seem to spend running somewhere North. I don’t know where I’m going, and usually somewhere along the way I get jumped and one-shotted, and then it starts all over again. Yes I’ve looked at maps. Yes I’ve read up on the tactics. But running north from the moment the gates open just doesn’t cut it because (a) everyone has the same idea and they seem to know where they’re going, and (b) the other side head south, which means instadeath for me.
After reading a recent comment here, maybe I'll try sneaking around to the bunker that's furthest to the north.
The worst thing of it all is that this will probably put me off the idea of battlegrounds for life because my only experience of it has been truly miserable, and along the way it’ll probably mean no protodrake for me either. Double fail.
Poor show Blizzard. Poor show.
All you've managed to do is exacerbate the divide between PvP and non-PvP players.
Remove this from the meta!
Comentario de
Deserpent
Well, that's exactly where my road to the Violet Proto-Drake ends... And of those who dislikes PvP as much as I do as well I guess...
Despite whatever other people say, PvE is inseparable part of this game, PvP on the other hand is not. And "What A Long, Strange Trip It's Been" is obviously a non-PvP meta-achievement. So making me do PvP tasks for it, and not just a simple tasks like "Participate in battleground" or smthng, but a complicated ones that require PvP and BG skills, is wrong.
Well, that's all, thank you very much Blizzard.
Comentario de
Glyphstream
That's a negative. After 4 hours of trying to do this in AV, I've gotten a number of the PvP achievements despite the fact that I've not a single honorable kill in my life just by being near someone who got one.
I've been near someone with my orphan out assaulting every freaking tower in the place twice, and no dice.
They really should rework this whole thing.
Comentario de
radogost
WSG is the hardest for me - trying to make it third day in the row. In the meantime I've got
and
, but still no luck with the flag...
Comentario de
darkye
Think at the end much more people got this achievement comparing to what we expected before Children's week start.
Only Midsummer and Brewfest left for those who started the achievements when they came out. :>
Comentario de
Jedediah
Does this have to be accomplished
during
Children's Week? It's not specified, and I still have 6 days on my whistle.
Just curious, here's to having a ridiculous work schedule coinciding with a 1 week world event... *sigh* It would be nice to be able to get it done before next year.
Comentario de
Kinqo
I can't be entirely sure but I
think
that this achievement was named after a song called
School of Hard Knocks
by
P.O.D
(a Rapcore band and one of my favorites.)
Okay, now as for everyone who is complaining for this achievement it is
optional
, meaning that you do not
HAVE
to do it. I found it pretty easy in my battlegroup since some of the people in there helped heal me when I tried EoTS. When it came to WSG, my guild made a pre-made WSG group and I got it easily. Arathi Basin, in my opinion, is by far the easiest to obtain.
Also, I think that Alterac Valley was the hardest to obtain somehow, it was my last one I got for the achievement. The reason why it was hard was because I was in a 40-man raid group with about half of them being my competition in racing to a tower and assaulting it.
EoTS
- All I did for capturing the flag in EoTS was ask in battlegrounds chat for a healer to help shield and heal me when needed. Luckily, I found someone nice enough to do so. So, I went into the middle of the map and camped for a while while fighting off the Horde. The first few times I did not capture it, but I just kept camping then when I got it I ran my ass out of there.
WSG
- WSG was quite easy for me since my guild wanted to make a random pre-made for Warsong Gulch for no reason. I joined and eventually they gave each of us a chance to return the flag. I figure this part of the achievement is pretty easy, even when you randomly join a battle without a pre-made.
AB
- Okay this one is pretty easy also. You don't even need a pre-made for this just gotta beat the others in your raid. I just quickly summoned my orphan then mounted up and right when the battle started I got my ass to the Stables and assaulted it.
AV
- Woo, this one takes a lot of patience, well it did for me anyways. Since you basically are racing a big raid group in order to assault a tower. I was very lucky on this when I got it after my 3rd AV match. I ran all the way down as far as I could go and ran in a tower. As I reached the top I noticed one of the Ally's were already trying to assault it for their achievement. This was the last tower to be assaulted so I figured I would have to wait for another match but actually... the Ally got dazed by a NPC Horde guard and I had my chance to capture it. It was pretty funny because after I assaulted it he just cursed me out, I just left.
Okay so that was my take on it, feel free to mark this comment as "negative" or whatever it doesn't matter to me. I'm just here sharing my experience with it and... killing time. Sorry for all who couldn't get it in time.
~
Kinqo
Comentario de
Ellana
In relation to your comment in saying that this achivement is optional.. It is necesary for the Meta-Achivement to obtain the Drake! That is actually why so many people are complaining.
This achivement was quite hard, especially how the Horde and Alliance DO NOT get along well in PVP.
Comentario de
Ellana
Yes, the achivement has to be completed within the Children's Week. The whistle to summon your Orphan will be deleted once the Festival is over sadly :( Good luck on getting the achivement thou! :D
Comentario de
Ellana
Yes, the achivement has to be completed within the Children's Week. The whistle to summon your Orphan will be deleted once the Festival is over sadly :( Good luck on getting the achivement thou! :D
Comentario de
rebel00
For alliance, even THAT would be rare... the Arathi Basin Victory achievement came 2 months after dinging 80, pvp'd everyday.
I've had people ask "How do I return a Flag? Click on it when it drops?"
Comentario de
madamskully
It
DOESN'T
have to be completed during Children's Week. I just completed it today. I turned in my quests before the event ended and got another whistle. I only had 2 of the parts done by Thursday night. Got my orphan out today, and finished the other 2 parts.
And it was really difficult and I hated every part of it...
Comentario de
reverendvader
I can confirm that completing the quests with an orphan even
after
Children's Week
is over still counts toward the achievement. (I completed
Hail to the King, Baby
just last night, 4 days after
Children's Week
ended...)
I picked up the Stormwind orphan two days before Children's Week came to a close. The whistle has a seven-day cooldown regardless of when it is acquired.
So, here I am with
one day
left on my orphan whistle still trying to capture and return the Alliance flag in a Warsong Gulch battle. (My one last task to acquire the Patron title!) I don't know if it's going to happen... (Especially with the extended maintenance on Nathrezim today, I'm rapidly running out of time. Squishy priest and all...)
Hopefully I'll be able to get some guildies to head into WSG with me and help me finish up the achievement later today. (I'd rather not have to wait until next May to acquire the violet proto-drake!)
UPDATE: It looks like I'll be waiting until next May. Grrr! I must have run WSG nearly 30 times over the past couple days... begged people to let me return the flag just once... But as a priest (experiencing slight yet frequent network lag), this part of the achievement turned out to be (apparently) impossible. The level of frustration in attempting this one "simple" task unsuccessfully over and over and over again was beyond annoying as I watched myself one-shotted, pounded into the dirt more times than I can count, and seeing fellow Alliance players send the flag back mere nano-seconds before I reached it myself.
Comentario de
Engwadur
Can anyone confirm that you can't acquire this achievement with the new wolver pup or with the oracle orphan?
Edit: Alright, I've confirmed you can't obtain this achieve with the resently released Northrend orphans. W/ screen shot.
Comentario de
Stewi
This is one of the best comments posted here. Premades and teamwork are all well and good, but a lot of PvP stuff is right over my head. Knowing that at least one person was able to solo this achievement gives me hope for doing the same, and I appreciate the pointers.
If I manage to find my way into a random premade, that's great too. I'm not opposed to working with others, I just don't have a lot of great experiences with it.
Edit: This was intended as a response to Maruf42, but forum threading has foiled me once again =P
Comentario de
velde046
I still wish they would modify or remove this one from the meta-achievement. I don't enjoy PVP, then only BG's I like are Wintergrasp and AV (like is overstating it btw). BUt I would not like doing them often.
I agree with someone above who says that it's no fun having to do PVP for anahcievement whilst not playing on a PVP server. I wish that the PVP achievements were in a separate world events PVP achievement list.
I am doing the PVP achievements but to be honest I am afraid I'm ruining the experience for a lot of other players that do like to do the stuff. Cause I don't care about anything else but getting the achievement so you won't see me capturing mines, attacking other players, killing generals etc in AV. I won't be defending towers in EOTS or capturing them, I just want the flag and will be waiting for the opportunity to get it and get out.
Blizzard should make a section in PVP achievements for this stuff... really. And have the PVE stuff in a different...
Comentario de
K0m4
I'm surprised nobody told that this is a reference from "Rock your Sock" by Tenacious D, it actually ROCKS!
Comentario de
misthoof
i like pvp , but this one is the only thing that going to prevent me to take the drake .. :( !
Comentario de
shmog
Wait, we're teaching our poor orphans violence?
Hmm...
Matron:What did you teach your orphan?
Orphan:How to slaughter people.
Matron:Excuse me?
*screaming*
You: I'm so proud of little Timmy!
Orphan: My name is James.
You:Shut up or I'll feed you to my Elekk.
Comentario de
gcvetclinic
Sometimes I wish I could just get the Blizzard developer who made these achievements and blow his knee caps off.
thank you. I agree,after 2 years of waiting on this achievement all i have left is a tower in av and a wsg flag return. peeling their skin sound to good for the developer also...i guess that would be flaying huh?
Comentario de
Avalionis
It should...but I doubt it will, cause that would be making it too easy. The others are fairly easy to get as it is.
Comentario de
Darkmanian
This is incredibly bad for hardcore PvP'ers. Sure I personally could go into an EoTS and ninja a flag (travel form) it back to a base. Likewise with AB & AV, but recapping a captured flag in WSG?
Thats just random luck and being in melee range so your close to the runner.
You could however make it easier by having a friend jump on opposing faction toon if youre on a RP server.
Have them waltz into the (premade) base and cap the flag, then drop it allowing you all to return it one by one.
Of course Blizzard could just allow these seemingly unforgiving achievements for School of Hard Knocks to be raid credit but no... thats just stupid right?
Comentario de
sTyLnK
Blizzard has removed most if not all the hard to impossible meta achievements with the exception of this one. Why? I don't get it. What makes this was so special that they are allowing it still?
Comentario de
satansheart
Yeh, i dont care what anyone says, this achieve is BS in its biggest form, I DONT pvp, never really have, why have a pvp achieve?
Its the last thing between me and my proto and will probably stop me ever getting it, I dont pay my money each month to pvp, i like pve. I get others loving it the other way or enjoying both, but fair go to those of us that dont blizz.
They nerf the hell out of the pve requirements and this this load of BS in place.
And to all you who would disagree, as i stated i pay my money to play wow my way the same as you do, why should i have to waste badges or honour on pvp gear as some have suggested or spend time that i want to do other things, practising in bgs to get this 1 achieve. Blizz you need to scrap this or make it optional as youve done with many of the pve/general achieves.
Comentario de
Derren
They should make it if someone do it and you're close, you get it completed too.
Comentario de
Mourning
Since the Childrens Event is starting in a couple of days i was wondering if anyone have any news on this achievement ?
Blizzard have changed alot of the RNG achievements in the latest batch of events, Valentine, easter egg etc.
If anyone have heard or seen anything that might be helpfull, please put it in this thread ;-)
Thanks in Advance
/Dawnwálker - Aggramar EU.
Edit. Blizzard do want PVP to be team play, so why not have the "team" get the credits when the flag is capped / returned?
Comentario de
Belteshazzar
i pay my money to play wow my way
But you still play Blizzard to play their game, and they develop the game however they please.
The meta achievement is What a Long, Strange Trip It's Been. The whole purpose of the achievement is to show that you've sampled (at least) a little bit of everything the game offers. Holiday events, dungeons, BGs, gimmicks, etc. It's hardly unreasonable to expect one BG-related achievement to be required for a meta that reflects the variety in the game.
And of all the achievements, this one really isn't that bad. Yes, if you don't BG and have no pvp gear, this achievement will be tedious and annoying. Will it be any less tedious and annoying than the RNG needed for Sinister Calling? Or going back and doing the chain leading up to Fa-la-la-la-Ogri'la? Or running around all the continents for Midsummer and Lunar Festival?
Comentario de
tyguy21g
I am a achievement junkie
I have better things to do with my time.
these things dont mix.. plus this is one of the easier achievements, im a squishy enhancement shaman and i have no trouble, if you really are an achievement junkie you would realize that some achievements just have to be earned less common ways, such as:
Capture the flag in Eye of the Storm:
well i personally have it easy here im an engineer, and a shaman i use my
rocket boots
and
parachute
at the start of the match land right on the flag pick it up before the enemy team can get anywhere near me ghost wolf and run to a tower being capped and im done. (cloak can be replaces with a mages slowfall/priest levitate and rocket boots can be replaced with a mount if you have a pally with crusader aura in group, and the ghost wolf at the end to ensure you get safely to tower can be replaced with
swiftness potion
)
Assault a flag in Arathi Basin
this requires no PVP gear or experience whatsoever just mount up run to a flag at start and cap it. being an engineer also helps here because i can use my rocket boots for the last few seconds to ensure i get the first click
Assault a tower in Alterac Valley
slightly more difficult than the others but still not hard, just run past the enemy team and assault icewing bunker/iceblood tower. most of the time they wont even touch you at the start of the match because they wanna get into the big combat areas/towers to cap
Return a fallen flag in Warsong Gulch
easy as long as you have a decent computer, so the flag loads fast when dropped, state that you are going to play defense at the start of the match at least 1 or two people will stay with you, wait untill someone picks up the flag slow them if you can while your allys kill them and mash click on where the flag is going to drop.
Comentario de
Glandur
Event is live in europe. Same deal. Good luck assaulting a tower in AV with 39 other players doing the same.
This needs to become a group achievement.
Comentario de
silkfire
couldn't agree more, why do the orphan has to insist it has to be
me
that does the capturing, and not my team mate?
Comentario de
amane
tbh this is easy achievement. just did whole thing under one hour, without premades and such.
Comentario de
minttunator
The best option would be to do it ASAP - which means NOW on the EU servers and in a few hours on the US ones. If you start working on it as soon as the event goes live, there will be a lot of like-minded achievement hunters in the BGs on both sides. This means that allies might be dropping the flag repeatedly in WSG so that Horde players can get their achievements etc. Good luck!
Comentario de
TheMaelstorm
Most of the time you don't really need pvp gear or experience to capture flag in EotS. Your team will be controlling flag or you can't even get it, so when flag is take-able, it'll be safe and chances are, the way to the tower you own is safe.
Comentario de
TheMaelstorm
Most of the time you don't really need pvp gear or experience to capture flag in EotS. Your team will be controlling flag or you can't even get it, so when flag is take-able, it'll be safe and chances are, the way to the tower you own is safe.
Comentario de
TheMaelstorm
I'm frustrated with these achivements. Blizz really needs to think throughly with these achivements. They just destroy the battlegrounds, becouse now bgs are full with: Usual fail-pvpers+pvpers who are after achivs+non-pvpers after achivs..and some people who want to bg for the sake of bging and fun.
Capture the flag in Eye of the Storm: EotS is already plagued by people who dont fight for towers but go for flag, which is the dumbest move possible. Now everyone will try to capture the flag. Oh yey.
Assault a flag in Arathi Basin: This looks good, but ends people up in not defending and trying to assault a flag (many suicide runs) and then leaving, screwing the game.
Assault a tower in Alterac Valley: This, again, looks good but makes people focus on one thing. I've seen people not defending but staying close to towers that their team capped so that enemy wins it back.. then he goes in and caps it for achiv.
Return a fallen flag in Warsong Gulch: This is rather obvious too. Noone captures flag, they wait for the other team to try. With two raids, this is stalemate.
Blizz should either make this a "bring your orphan to these places" or "win a hk in all bgs" or "win a bg(any)" or just let people get the achivement through raid so that people dont leave their flag carrier just to go to enemy flag carrier (that is, if any sides bothered to get flag).
The game already lacks in encouraging players to pvp and win bgs, rather than just signing up 1000 times to get the honor, these achivements just murder the little encouragement.
Comentario de
Mourning
I started doing the above mentioned achievement just after the event went live.
Took me:
3 EOTS
4 WSG
1 AV - I really loved this one, cause there were 10 alliance and 10 horde standing the towers / bunkers, capping and then recapping to help eachother out, much love goes out to our foes from the Horde ;-)
3 AB
I consider myself lucky to be able to complete the achievement doing less than 5 of each BG. Its entirely luck based how it plays out, if you lag the least you wont cap or return a flagg because someone else will do it for you. If you are able to get into a good premade, i urge you to do so because this achievement is without a doubt the most annoying i have yet to do.
Blizzard have stated on numerous occasions how PVP is a team based effort, and that it isnt based upon 1vs1, why then dont we get the achivement as a team?
Goodluck to the people out there who will be gunning for the achivement today, may the force be with you all.
Kind regards
Dawnwálker of Aggramar EU.
Comentario de
Cburja
For me i think the WSG was the hardest, but then we did the awesomest thing.
Most likely the opposite faction will do the same as you by camping flag room and waiting till someone takes it.
What we did was have a stealthing class/potion run into theyr flag room. Pick flag, then drop it.
The enemy faction picked up flag and started attacking, and then the stealther took flag again and dropped it.
And soon they understood we helped them, and by that they came over and helped us by doing the same with our flag
Comentario de
Trickydicky
Well I have to say that after reading these comments I thought this was going to be a nightmare, however I managed to get all of these with little hassle within about an hour and a half. Perhaps I got lucky, but I find it hard to see how someone can not get it with a whole week to try.
Comentario de
sTyLnK
Having just completed this achievement. From my experience this is how it was for me and will probably be for everyone. I'm trying to give advice so you know what to expect. :)
Alterac Valley - Even though so many people are after this don't be intimidated. Remember, the opposing faction is after this as well. I just went into a tower. Eventually they walked into one and we ended up working together and took turns capping a tower. We all want the achievement so it's not too bad trust me. It can be ANY tower as well. Alliance or Horde.
WSG - Both sides camp there bases, so what ended up happening was someone would run in and take the flag and it would be like a pack of wild dogs going after a steak. You just have to be fast to click the flag. Each side will cooperate here and there. Might take a few games, but you will eventually get it. Just stay at your base.
Arathi Basin - Your best chance is at the start. Try running to the closest base or to a base and see what happens. Obviously bases change pretty fast, so your next best chance is to go after a base that is unguarded or with few enemies. Like WSG, it might take a few games.
EOTS - This was frustrating and the most difficult of all. Everyone wants the flag for the achievement so it's a constant dog pile in the middle. On my server, my side is just brutal at bg's. Especially this one. Hopefully your server is better, but mine is not. If you can get it, you better hope you have at least one base capped. If so, run your butt there! People will be so focused on the flag that often times the opposing side will cap all the towers. Once that flag is in the middle, people will want it so bad they will try and click even with a ton of enemies around constantly attacking everyone. What will be very annoying is classes with AOE. They will cast blizzard on the flag just to ^&*! you off so you can't pick it up. Try to clear mobs first or as many as you can. It will take some time and you will have to be quick to react when the flag returns!
Remember all, you have 1 week so keep at it. If you can knock most of them out asap, it will help as the days count down.
Comentario de
Jerodast
Yes, enchancement shamans are so squishy. In their mail armor.
Almost everything you just said requires *!@# that many classes/professions have zero potential to do, regardless of skill or gear.
Comentario de
MaranX
Worst achi, ever. Seriously, I do not really pvp, I have no gear, no spec. Opposite faction camping the flag in EoE. Letting the flag to be stolen on WSG only to try to stop the guy who took it. Rushing into random flags on AV before other 39 people will do it. And of course getting to stables on AB before others do. Just awesome. Especially when your orphan disappears when you run.
Comentario de
GeneticArmor
No, that's not how it works.
I stood around for like ten minutes last night in AV while we and the Alliance flag-swapped.
I have horrible latency so I was last one to assault.
Comentario de
Slavaa
Note that it only counts for assaulting one that has been fully taken by the alliance, not defending ones that they are in the process of taking.
Comentario de
safermike
If you have trouble completing this after you have done the wolwar quest chain, like me wich starts in dalaran. You can always pick up a new orphan quest line, like in ogrimmar.
Comentario de
TehScat
My girlfriend is a carebear of epic proportions, she couldn't pvp her way out of Northshire Abbey. So, for this, I had to carry her through a few things...
AB: Easy, crusader aura on, she runs to farm and caps it before anyone else. Just luck and speed.
EotS: She waited at FRR and capped that, while I grabbed flag. Ran near her, dropped it, she grabbed it, capped.
WSG: Luckily alliance were playing along, sending a 45k hp tank to grab and drop flag over and over. Took a while for some scrubs to stop killing him, but we all got this and Frenzied Defender too! One in a million players in WoW are nice.
AV: She ran with me all the way to end bunkers, like in a zerg. I tied up archers and she capped.
EotS was by far the hardest, since there was so much competition for the flag, and alliance premades were cashing in on the horde carebears sitting on the flag by 4-capping us every game. Had to go through 5 or so losses before we got to a game where both teams were going for achie.
On that note, trading flags in WSG, bases in AB, and towers in AV, are great ways to get their respective 'grind' defend achievements. I got frenzied defender, overly defensive, and tower defense so far, and I will be going for To The Rescue! and Persistent Defender before Children's Week is over!
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I agree - I don't do BG's so have neither the experience nor the equipment. It was hard enough completing the achievement while in costume (earning so many kills), but to actually capture a flag? You gotta be kidding me right?
The difference is, in Winterveil, all you had to do was go into the BG's, stay alive while 50 Ally or Horde were killed, then you got the achievement. In all matters of fairness, the way it is set up is good. A lot of players avoid the PvP content because they are afraid of it, undergeared for it, or what ever their excuse is. I did for a long time, but I decided that I was missing out on a huge chunk of the game by not doing PvP. In this particular event, the hardest one to get is AV by far! Several players are there for the win, not the achievement, especially this year I have noticed. They kill any Ally that try to recap a bunker, which put a lot of us out as far as getting the event done. A lot of them (and yes, I do mean a lot) do not understand why we do the World Events. For those that do not know, it is for the Proto-Drake we get after we complete them all.....and I am not afraid to admit that I want that mount! 310% speed will make farming a LOT easier for me when I need Northrend Herbs!
So nothing personal, but if you are unable to complete the events due to no desire to actually learn the Battlegrounds...then in my opinion...you don't deserve the Achievements. I for one like the challenge involved with the Childrens Week BG achievements, because I actually have to do what is needed, rather than just show up.
Comentario de
nelfilicious
Last year my fear of this achievement stopped me from completing the meta. I admit, I'm a pretty huge carebear but I used to do a lot of PvP and wasn't afraid of the BGs themselves so much as that I couldn't trust the people to play nice for a few minutes.
Now I'm halfway through with this and while it isn't fun by any means, it's not horrible. I went ahead and tried AV first, though maybe I should have gone after WSG before that. First game went badly, the Horde either didn't understand my /waits or they just didn't care. Second time around I got to Iceblood Tower where there were probably 4-5 Horde who started to attack me, but I /waited them and they jumped back and let me do my thing. So gracious!
Then I did AB, which also took two games. Both times the other side wasn't letting me or anyone just waltz up and cap a flag. But towards the end of the second game, the Alliance zerged the Stables and while they were all distracted I managed to get the flag. I had actually assaulted the farm earlier without my orphan out! Ugh.
Edit: just did EotS, by far the quickest and most fun! As expected everyone rushed to the flag and the Horde got control over it pretty easily. They were just swapping people out for capping the flag for a minute or two while the Alliance took control over 2-3 bases. At one point there was so much chaos in the center I went to get the flag and was surprised when I wasn't interrupted. Promptly capped it at MT and collected some HK's until we won. Got a couple achievements too.
All finished! WSG was mostly a breeze, there was a bit of confusion at the start but then for a good couple of minutes this troll warrior kept going to get the flag so all we Allies could finish our achievement. I went to the Horde base and did the same. It was a precious moment.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Sure you have room to complain.
You HAVE TO HAVE your orphan out when accomplishing these 'feats'.
You're a ROGUE. Stealth + Orphan following you = fail.
Ummm....no.
I just finished the event on my Rogue.
In WSG, the Ally didn't care that my Orphan was out; they were after the same thing I was. We were lucky enough to have a mutual "flag dropping" party going on for about 3 minutes. Once we were all done, the battle started. Thats all it really takes, for both sides to realize why there are people in the BG's during the events, and not act like 6 year olds that want to take their toys away because they don't like someone that shows up!
In AB, I ran with my Orphan out, and cap'd the flag at the farm. Then I killed the Ally there, because he was working one of my team over. Rogues do not have to run in stealth all the time, if they know how to use their skills.
In EotS (by far the EASIEST to do) all you have to do is survive the wave of opposition and manage to get the flg before your team or the enemy do; thats the most difficult part really, avoiding the AoE going off. Your team will have at least 1 bunker, so go there. If you have a friendly group (sorry, but in the case of the Horde, it is usually EMfH - Every Man for Himself-) you will have heals and assistance with pursuers. Stand on the little round thingy on the ground at your bunker (tower) and cap the flag....make sure you have an orphan following you though 0.o.
AV, as I mentioned, is by far the hardest one to do. I did it, un-stealthed, by running to the Ally base (kudos to the post above!) and capping the North Bunker. If you are lucky enough to have someone with you that has aggro, and you both start capping, once the archer hits them, you will take it. Sorry, sounds a bit selfish, but hey, I did stay after I got my event finished (instead of bailing on the BG) and helped them kill the defending Ally after they recap'd.
This event reminds me of "Survivor" in the sence that everyone wants the same thing, and everyone will screw someone out of their chance if they can.
Proto- Drake....remember that.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
First game went badly, the Horde either didn't understand my /waits or they just didn't care.
It isn't that we don't care, we are just sick and tired of the way the Ally treat us!
For the most part, Ally players have been far worse on Horde players than Horde players have been to Ally.
Crossroads, a low level questing town; level 80 Ally feel the need to raid it constantly. Why?
Normal BG's when there are no events. Ally players group up 5 to 1, then emote /lol's and crap like that...like that is really needed.
Ally players kill our quest NPC's during some of our escort missions.
...and the list goes on and on.....
It isn't that we don't care, we just feel that enough is enough, and now it is time to shell it back. It is a bit unfair though, that you were getting treated like that, when all you wanted was to complete an achievement. But hey, all we want is to complete our quests, and maybe avoid the rudness that occurs ater 5 Ally gang up on us. And all we have to go off of is the experiences we have had in situations with the opposing faction.
Comentario de
nelfilicious
It's not meant to be a slight on the horde by any means. I was just frustrated when all my /bows and stuff weren't being recognized. It were those particular players who were being rude, not the whole faction. Like I said, it was awesome that they were nice about it in the second game.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
FYI:
I am REAAAAALLLLYYYYY bad @ PvP, yet I managed to do it. You will get killed, big deal, it happens sometime in PvE too. Stop saying "I can't" and get in there and "Do". Anyone that wants it bad enough will "Do" and get it done. You just have to look for the opportunity and take it, then help others around you get theirs (Horde AND Ally).
Comentario de
Ketrel
What I noticed is as far as behavior of the sides, generally those who pick the horde because they like the races are !@#$s, but those who pick the horde because the like the lore will try their best to be honorable.
Comentario de
beachboy
Zanderlane: you do realize Horde do all of those things too, right? Never heard of Goldshire?
Comentario de
Zanderlane
What I noticed is as far as behavior of the sides, generally those who pick the horde because they like the races are !@#$s, but those who pick the horde because the like the lore will try their best to be honorable.
Really? So where does that place me? What I took from reading the Lore, was that the REAL bad guys were the Alliance, which is why I rolled Horde. So what exactly does that have to do with the way that one faction treats another? What I said, was based off of my own observations and interactions with the Ally players in several situations; my experiences. So I must have offended you in some way, to get a negative score? Well, I retured the favor, because you missed the point entirely.
~Cheers
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Zanderlane: you do realize Horde do all of those things too, right? Never heard of Goldshire?
Yes, I have in fact. I went there during the Hallowed event. In fact again, I have spent a lot of time out that way farming ore and herbs. How ofter do I hear Horde attacking Goldshire? hardly ever. How often do I hear the Ally attacking Crossroads? Every day, at least 3 to 4 times a day. I have people whispering me to come kill the level 80's as I am in flight to head off to farm low level mats for someone that needs them.
I never said Horde doesn't do the same, I said Ally do it more often and then laugh about it. In my experience, because I am Horde, the Ally players I come in contact with are either trying to kill me, steal the resource I am after or kill the NPC for a quest I am working on or trying to turn in. Used to rather. Since I started leveling in the BG's, all I have had to deal with is the 5 on 1, because unlike the Ally, Horde players usually do not stop to help out a fellow teammate.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Zanderlane: you do realize Horde do all of those things too, right? Never heard of Goldshire?
Yes, I have in fact. I went there during the Hallowed event. In fact again, I have spent a lot of time out that way farming ore and herbs. How often do I hear Horde attacking Goldshire? hardly ever. How often do I hear the Ally attacking Crossroads? Every day, at least 3 to 4 times a day. I have people whispering me to come kill the level 80's as I am in flight to head off to farm low level mats for someone that needs them, when I am flying through the Barrens.
I never said Horde doesn't do the same, I said Ally do it more often and then laugh about it. In my experience, because I am Horde, the Ally players I come in contact with are either trying to kill me, steal the resource I am after or kill the NPC for a quest I am working on or trying to turn in. Used to rather. Since I started leveling in the BG's, all I have had to deal with is the 5 on 1, because unlike the Ally, Horde players usually do not stop to help out a fellow teammate.
Comentario de
minttunator
"It can be ANY tower as well. Alliance or Horde."
Just pointing out that this part is wrong. You have to assault a base of the opposing faction to get the achievement. Defending your own towers won't get you SoHK (but it will help the other side get theirs, so it's nice to do it anyway). =)
Comentario de
Snipingllama
Not to metion that Goldshire is in Alliance territory, so you would ahve to be flagged to be attacked there.
Comentario de
badbeatbill
If this is the one achievement that keeps me from my Violet Proto-Drake, i'm quitting WoW.
What anti-achievement, anti-PvE idiot came up with this achievement? Stuck at Eye of the Storm for 2 hours now. I'm gonna get the veteran achievement before I get the stupid capture the flag one.
Comentario de
gounter08
It is not necessary to form a premade for this achievement. I have done the whole children's week achievement in just a few hours. You will notice that everyone in the BG wants this achievement so all you have to do is to inform your companions to not attack the other team, DON'T FORGET YOUR ORPHAN this can be deadly, and prepare the /truce to inform the other team of your intentions. For some reasons this tactic does not work in Eye of the Storm, so prepare to fight and Alterac Valley is a pain to do but with little luck you will succeed. For Warsong Gulch just send one member in base and drop the flag and Arathi basin, well try to be fast ( Farm/Stable works at beginning so try to get there before the others ).
Comentario de
MajinUltima
In my battlegroup, Horde in WSG and AB is just going for winning. They don't seem to care about any co-op at all for achievements. Most of these assumptions that the opposing guys are trying for their achieves only actually apply when the opposing faction is actually trying for their achieves.
There should be a petition or something against such ridiculous forced criteria for a holiday meta-achievement, especially when the criteria won't be shared with nearby individuals. If there wasn't cooperation in AV, I don't know how either side would've accomplished anything.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Why not do the same concerning the farming in Wintergrasp too? I mean, its hard to farm ore and herbs there! Yet if we want to have better chances at actual Frost Lotus or Titanium, we have to go there to get them.
Its easy to say something needs to be removed from the game, but where is the fun in having everything handed to you? Achievements are supposed to be a challenge, thats what makes them worth doing. If I wanted to have things easy, I would play the Sims like my wife, where I could look up cheat codes and have millions of dollars and never have to have my toons work.
Sorry, not trying to be rude, just pointing that out.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I agree those of us that do not run pvp or have no gear to do it makes this very hard wish wow would redo this achivement for that reason
. It's one thing to ask a player to kill 10 or 20 players with your orphan out and another to ask people who have never done some of the battlegrounds and have no pvp gear to suddenly start running flags in WSG.
Also....I ran this without PvP gear......
0.o
Comentario de
MajinUltima
Because the Ore and Herbs exist during the hours that WG is NOT in progress. These achieves are only available in active battlegrounds. Your parallel makes no sense and has no basis. Furthermore, Ore and Herbs are available in several other zones, which do not force difficult PVP tasks.
I finally got Arathi done. As an Alliance Shaman (or DK), Water Walk (or Path of Frost) can be used to sneak up on the Farm pretty easily once the Horde has moved on to other objectives. It may be better than competing with backstabber greedy allies, or uncooperative enemies. With increased swim speed, this may be a practical solution for other classes as well.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Tell me. Where ASIDE from Wintergrasp have you EVER seen an actual FROST LOTUS?
My point is valid; it was stated that the BG part should be removed, because it is "Hard". My "parallel" is accurate, as FARMING IN WINTERGRASP IS ALSO HARD.
Evaluate the comparison a little more before you come in and rip it down. If the achievement is too hard to do, don't do it, end of story. Just like farming in Wintergrasp is hard, so I don't do it, end of story. Whine !@#$% and complain about the difficulty of an "ACHIEVEMENT" because it isn't just handed to you, please. I said it as nice as I could before, but I am sick of the projected insults. Just because the way I choose to compare this doesn't fit your ideas, does not mean my view is "WRONG". It is my way of looking at the situation at hand.
Point is, I suck at PvP, yet I pulled it off today, and am about to start on #2. Less time whining, more time trying, and eventually you will get it done.
Go ahead, rate me negatively, but I am in the right as far as I am concerned.
Comentario de
Shadock
"School of Hard Knocks" also mentioned in the song "Rock your Socks" by Tenacious D.
Comentario de
Zieda
Well, it was a holiday weekend for Eye of the Storm, so it was even worse than it usually is. Luckily a guildie got the flag, ran to a tower, and dropped it so I could get it and cap it. In all the other battlegrounds people were cooperating, with the usual mix of idiots wanting to mess it up for everyone else.
Comentario de
Zieda
Well, it was a holiday weekend for Eye of the Storm, so it was even worse than it usually is. Luckily a guildie got the flag, ran to a tower, and dropped it so I could get it and cap it. In all the other battlegrounds people were cooperating, with the usual mix of idiots wanting to mess it up for everyone else.
So try and go for this achievement early in the week, when everyone else is willing to help.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I just want to say that I have noticed a trend in the rating system here. Those of us that have offered constructive criticizm, or who have disagree'd with some of the posts here have recieved negative scores? So basically, this is a Bias topic? Well, I will save you any more of my posts from here on out, even if they might actually contain "useful" (or more agreeable) information. Thanks for showing me the true nature of the Wowhead community.
Comentario de
Lifejolt
I'm sorry that people disagree with you and are willing to show it :'(
Comentario de
Wickedfox
You don't want me to PvP.
If you're any good and care about PvP; you don't want me and my silly gear holding you back.
You don't want me to die repeatedly with idiot child in tow, failing to support the group.
I've been playing WoW since beta. I've been playing MMOs since 1997. I know what I'm doing - but I have always HATED and never will like or be good at PvP.
I'm so burned out on WoW since I've been playing for ages. I'm waiting for Cataclysm. I've stopped logging in and constantly contemplate canceling my account - but in order to complete the final achievement of 'What a Long Strange Trip it's Been' on this one character - I get to log in purely to do the thing I most hate with my entire being and fail at miserably.
W.T.F.?
Comentario de
Dreamsmith
Tell me. Where ASIDE from Wintergrasp have you EVER seen an actual FROST LOTUS?
Um, all over? I never noted specifically where I gathered them, but I have a pile of them in the bank, and that character has never been to Wintergrasp. The character with them has only been in Northrend a couple levels now, having done some Howling Fjord, Dragonblight, and just started in Grizzly Hills. I think I flew over Borean Tundra at one point while picking flowers, so maybe got some there too, but I don't recall. They seem to come up pretty randomly everywhere I'm gathering...
There doesn't seem to be anything you can farm in Wintergrasp that isn't easier to farm elsewhere. There are some elemental things that drop from the mobs there with a higher percentage than elsewhere, but the mobs with the high drop rates aren't that numerous -- you can get more of what you're looking for per hour farming elsewhere, even though you have to kill more mobs for it.
Comentario de
elrond2002
Ever since I noticed this little gem in my list of achievements for the mount I've been dreading it. So far I've spent 5 hrs hoping for a BG that'll prove willing to help. Nothing, no luck whatsoever. I'm a healer and I don't pvp at all... I don't mind working for my achievements but most of them require things that can be achievable by anyone. Blizzard went out and made live miserable for everyone like me that would like to get the mount but doesn't pvp... i get it they want you to experience it and force people to take a look... i've taken a look... a lot of them... and I hate them. I don't even bother getting the pvp mounts.
They've taken some other easy achievements out of the list for the mount... like getting some dress up and dance in shat... a lot of work to get that done... you really need to do the daillies each day to get enough coin to do it all. I dont mind that but I've already spent waaaay more time on this particular achievement than some meta-world events complete ones.
I seriously makes me hate the game for forcing me to go somewhere I hate going. Blizzard should find another way to get people to do pvp if they are that keen on it.
Comentario de
Hairband
It might be nice to explain to those with
NO
battlegrounds experience what the objective is a bit more step by step. Rate this up if you have no BG experience and you want to know more about what to do. This is not going to be a /rant to nerf the achievement or a /whine how hard it was or a /brag how easy it was. Also for starters, don't mount when you have a flag or you'll lose it.
Capture the flag in Eye of the Storm:
In summary, the objective is to click a flag and return it to a base owned by your faction. There are 4 bases (2 each by the Alliance/Horde entry points) and a center flag placed on a mound on sort of a bridge, so don't fall off. Everyone will need to run to the center obviously to click the flag (it'll have a cog/gear tooltip). The flag takes like 10 seconds to attach to you when you click it, like a cast. You cannot be in combat or else there will be an "Interrupted" message. If you are successful, a message is broadcast " has the flag," or something similar. Nothing will go into your inventory; the flag just appears on your back so you know if you have it! That is, if you are lucky enough to get to it, because there will be traps, rogues, AOE everywhere on that center mound. But at some time in EOTS (for me, 4 BG's) that mound is going to be clear--AND you will see a message broadcast "The flag has been returned to the base" or something like that. Hopefully you'll be in the right place at that time, and hopefully with a base owned by your faction to run to.
My advice is to just try to keep that center mound clear of the opposing faction, and try to be first to click it while everyone is elsewhere, and be patient. Once you do have the flag, you have to make it to one of the 4 bases, as long as it's owned by your faction. If you're NOT the first to click the flag after it respawns, but someone of your faction IS, then protect the heck out of them. I put Aspect of the Pack on, and lay down traps for my flag carriers, and Flares if they were up. Eventually, the opposing faction will kill an unlucky flagbearer and the flag'll be on the ground for you to pick up and click. Then, when you are successful, hopefully you will run right for your base and the minute you land there, you should be done. Look at your Achievement tracker and your EOTS should be cleared off.
Assault a tower in Alterac Valley:
The objective here is to find a tower owned by the opposite faction, run to the top of that tower, and click a banner inside. (Again, cog/gear tool tip and about a 10 second cast time and you can't be in combat to click the banner.) Initially, there will be 4 each Alliance/Horde towers. What do the towers look like? I was expecting a tower, but they're not towers really. The Alliance ones look to me like the lookout stations in Loch Modan (we've all done the Tunneler's Ear's Quests) and the Horde ones look a little like the Orcish towers in The Barrens where you pick up Harpies Threaten. Anyway, at the top of these towers are some NPC's guarding these banners. If you're lucky, you can run past the NPC's and click the banner if you're in a group, but if not, try using your pet for classes with them. I've done this twice and both times my group's synergy got me this prong of the achievement. One person was dual boxing with a horde/alliance toon, and the alliance person organized everyone's achievement at the tower using his hordie to help click the flag to make it a Horde flag, just so we could turn around and reclick it and make it an Alliance (for as long as he could, anyway--someone on the Horde didn't appreciate the help as you might imagine).
The thing everyone is saying about this is kind of true: everyone of the other faction is running past you and not wanting to kill you; if they have their orphan out, they probably are looking for a tower guarded by your faction's NPC's and don't care about you. But because of the layout of the map, you're trying to go past YOUR territory into THEIR territory, so you will cross paths with quite a few of the opposing faction so just try to be speedy and use the posts here that contain the maps of the bases if you don't know how to read your BG map.
Assault a flag in Arathi Basin:
I'm a little bit fuzzy about what I did to get this but I'll edit this tonight when I do it on my alt. If I remember correctly, there will be 4 bases you need to capture, and each base starts out neutral (ie., with a grey non-Alliance, non-Horde flag). I think once you touch a grey flag, it takes about 10 seconds of cast time, and if you are the first successful person to click the flag,the flag becomes that of your faction. Like the other two above, you cannot be in combat or else you get an "Interrupted" message. And like the other two, there will probably be three or four people trying to click the flag so you may not be first, so be patient.
ETA: For patch 4.3: This one I got on an alt today and I had to click the opposing faction's flag. I came in with my /beg and my /help emotes to the one defender that was there. It seemed as if the defender was going to let me have the flag, because he wasn't casting any spells. Meanwhile I was saying "I need a flag for my orphan, so please let me have one!" in the /bg chat. Just then, the defender started to get ganked by a rogue and I just did a Hail Mary and clicked their flag.
Return a fallen flag in Warsong Gulch:
I'll confess I didn't know what to do at first, but it's really easy, in theory. First, someone of the opposing faction has to take
your
flag from
your
base and begin to run it back to their flag room. You'll stop them by killing them, and the flag will be on the ground for you to pick up. You'll pick up YOUR OWN faction's flag and voila! Ignore their flag, because if you try to be a hero and run their flag to your base, you won't get the achievement. A lot of ranged classes might have problems with this if there is stiff competition and scads of orphans running around the dropped flag. With good communication, hopefully you will be in an understanding BG group and help each other out. Doing this, everyone was rooting for me and helping me, and was a really positive experience.
Hope that helps. Remember to rate up if this helped you figure out what you were supposed to do. ETA: I don't think anything has changed in 4.3.
Comentario de
kuska
Seems that in my Battlegroup (Reckoning), there seems to be a truce between the two Factions. There are occasionally some morons who will violently slaughter you, but for the most part the opposing faction will try and help you get the achievement(s).
I just came out of an Alterac Valley in which the most killing blows was 3.
TL;DR: Be patient, and treat others courteously!
Comentario de
Amaranthina
Actually, I agree with the OP. Some people ENJOY PVP and some don't. Some are great at it and some suck. But then again, nothing we say matters, Blizz will continue to force PVP upon those who don't wish to do it... offline gaming has a term for it..."Railroad GMing"....
Comentario de
Lifejolt
I know this has been said, but people don't hate this achievement because it's hard or it takes a while, it just completely ruins battlegrounds for the whole week and goes against the teamwork that I'm assuming Blizzard would like people to show. I guess if they wanted separate factions to cooperate and cheat the system, otherwise this achievement is a mess... For them to not do something about it is just plain weird to me.
Comentario de
Lifejolt
I'm really not sure. It just doesn't follow. Does a certain developer really want to keep it? We have no way of knowing, all we know is that it's a !@#$ty achievement.
Comentario de
Amaranthina
My two cents.... I'm thinking that there's no reason for any of us to have to "PVP" to get an achievement. We COULD go our entire WoW lifetime avoiding each and every quest that requires us to go anywhere near "PVP"... but then Blizz always seems to think that we're ALL PVPers hiding in PVE-er's clothing...
Why not make battlegrounds vs opposing faction NPCs only? In other words, make the battlegrounds like any other instanced dungeon. Save the battlegrounds like we have now for the PVP servers.. Want to complete an achievement without having to deal with opposing faction griefers? Go PVE. Want to harrass a living being on the other end of that opposing faction toon? Go PVP.
Comentario de
sTyLnK
That's what I was referring to. I meant it as it can be any tower as long as the opposite faction have the tower. Should have been more specific.
Comentario de
evilsaint
Combat useless? A %310 flying mount for aerial ganking, much? It won't do much in battlegrounds or arenas, sure, but it's far from combat useless.
Comentario de
Entropyutd
Seems to be a good tip, still working on it but its the closes Ive come to getting AV.
Seconds away DoTs killed me from the hunter who followed me.
Given the seemingly retarded nature of some players (Mixed servers ugh) Soloing it seems to me to be the best option.
When the opponents are clearly signaling that they want to help with the achievements and the idiots on your team kill them anyway, then I just give up any hope of doing this as a team.
For the other achievements it took a little patience and hitting the Bg's at 3am server time I nailed them all except AV.
I'll keep grinding away, with the holiday just a day old I expect it to be busy still, but I am honestly way more frustrated with my own factions play than anything the opponents have done so far.
Comentario de
kronchev
It's also a lot of fun how BGs are unplayable during these world events, because everyone is scrambling for these achievements. For instance in EOTS last night, literally everyone from our team (every single member) was crowded around the flag's spawn the whole game.
I like PVP, but the queues still really suck on my bgroup, and it's not like nobody else is going for these, so it's an insane amount of competition every single game.
I would've assumed these would be like the AB "capture each point" quest which gives you credit if someone in your GROUP does it (as do most of the PVP achievements) but this doesn't appear to be the case. Great job!
Comentario de
Hywell
Makes a REALLY nice change from having to do stupid PvE dungeon achievements for titles...
Comentario de
Astray
Awesome achievement.
There's people who like pvp and those who don't. This achievement makes all the people who don't like pvp at all go into bgs and have a really long and frustrating time. While they are doing that all those who like pvp are annoyed by those who ruin every bg by just going for the achievement's goal.
The result is big time frustration for everyone. Worst achievement in game.
Comentario de
Pinkitteh
I can see why Blizzard made this annoying and difficult, you've got to remember the meta achievement at the end is a very fast epic flying mount. If they made it easy, everyone would have one, and people would QQ that it was too easy for everyone to get.
Anyway, I've have completed this on my Dk and am doing it this year on my Druid and pallie, what I did was I tried to do a little team work, I qued AV a few times and went to my factions tower /pointed at my orphan and allowed the opposing faction to cap the flag, then I'd tag it for the next one, and did this for 5 or 6 of them for 3 AVs in a row, on the 4th AV I went to the opposing factions one where there were 3 people I recognized from the opposing faction returning me the favor.
Now some people don't have quite as good karma, but some servers allow you to have an alt of the opposing faction on your server, or you can find out what servers are on your battle group (by noting it down next time you are in bg.) and make an alt to ask some people on the opposing faction to que the AV and if they see your name on the list, flip the flag for you, and you will return the favor for them.
One good deed deserves another, do unto others as you would want done unto you, as the golden rule goes.
Good luck on getting your achieves guys.
Comentario de
JWolfie
This achievement is real pain in the ass but I managed to do it at first day.WSG I got at first try by just plain luck, in AV we co-operated with couple hordies, so thanks to them, AB I was just fastest and got it at frist try too. EoST was the most annoying thing ever. Did 10 or so bg's to get flag captured and managed with luck just before horde won the bg.
Hate this achievement but I don't need to care anymore as I got it done! :D
But as so many before me has mentioned this is really bad desing as it ruins PvP people's fun and is pain in the ass for those that play PvE. Good luck to those all who still need this.
Comentario de
thezombiecat
The desire to prevent future harmful acts by the perpetrator is a consideration.
But reporting a crime dose not automatically result in a conviction, especially if there is no physical evidence, no witness to more than suggestive behavior and a victim that is not cooperating whole heartedly with the investigation.
Before taking action that could further traumatize the current victim you should consider the amount of trauma an investigation could cause, and the likelihood that the abuser will actually be prevented from abusing others in the future. If you’re not confident you can see the perpetrator behind bars why make things worse.
Now if I had solid evidence that I was highly confident would lead to a conviction then I would likely act for the benefit of the probable future victims. Lacking such evidence but possessed of a strong belief of the abuse, I act to protect those who’s associations I can influence, and spread that influence a little with whispers in the ears of other youth organizations, considering getting somebody bared from membership for a unprotected crime is illegal (defamation I believe) you likely wont find evidence of any such whispers.
Edward
Comentario de
felixmdx
really dumb ach for pp who dont do any PvP!
Comentario de
Batch
Please remove School of Hard Knocks from "For the Children" meta!
I hate giving up on the drake this far into the year-long achievement, but I can't take the endless hours of PVP that this one stupid piece is taking. I understand that it shouldn't necessarily be a string of easy tasks, but having to coordinate 10-40 selfish people just to do my own selfish part is too much. I am a "casual" player, which Blizzard tends to recognize as the majority of their subscribers, but it doesn't feel like they are looking out for us this time.
This one achievement justifies an extension to this holiday, and unfortunately for me, the impossibility of the achievement also puts another nail in the coffin of WoW.
Comentario de
Abcat
Thought I would put in my feedback about this achievement.
I tried EoST yesterday and found that not only are you going against an opposing team where many were trying to get their achievement, but also the folks on your side doing the same. You have to be lucky to get this one but with the chances stacked against you. I was not able to get mine.
The next day I tried to get into the fights in the morning but of the 4 battle-grounds needed, AB was the fastest with the rest of the waits were averaging 15 minutes and up. I went in as a healer and noticed that my side charged the first point and whoever has the fastest mount gets to cap. The rest of the fight even rushing in with others, I ended up being focus of the enemy and so I spent the majority of my time waiting to be rezzed. After a bad match and losing, I decided to switch to shadow and that helped some. I was still not able to get at least AB done and a number of players upon getting their cap, left the fight. At the farm I just helped kill the last enemy player there, and the other player capped the flag even with my child being out.
I can see that attempting this event is utterly pointless and basically a waste of time. It does not encourage team-work. At least I wished I could have received credit for being close to the point when it was capped or if we had won.
With things and how they stand, I decided to not bother with getting the achievement and the drake at the end of this whole debacle just isn't worth it.
Comentario de
tarnar
This achievement has the most YMMV I've ever seen. The variance is huge. So far I'm 3 / 4 in two sittings.
Eye of the Storm - this was dead easy for me, our team held 2 towers and just capped over and over, letting others do the cap when they needed it for the achievement. Now, Eye was the weekend BG during this so queue times were nice and short, I have no idea what this would be like mid-week.
Arathi Basin - this was entirely luck based. I got lucky during confusion and assaulted a flag. A valid strategy if you have a group that works together is to rush the far base and capture it. So Horde would go for Stables, Alliance would go for Farm. At least it works if no one is paying attention.
Alterac Valley - this is where I actually found some carebear lovin. Most towers were full of people just standing around, not killing anyone, capturing them back and forth.
...leaving...
Warsong Gulch - this has been the most miserable for me so far. Everyone plays defense and everyone scrambles for the return-flag-click. People abandon the BG fairly quickly once the stalemate is apparent.
Hopefully as the week carries on more BGs will become like AV was for me. I hope everyone will be in there to get it over with and they'll work together for it. Doubt it though!
Comentario de
Bertinho
this achievement just proves that there are some pretty evil people in Blizzard
Developer 1: "Hm ok..so for the last achievement of Children's Week, what shall we create?
Developer 2: "Well, maybe a rare drop in the last boss of U.P. , like a little rainbow pony the player could give to the orphan, thus, completing the achievement?
Developer 1: "Hm...nah...that's too gay..how about some hardcore pvp achievements for all the cry baby pve'rs to pull their hairs off and call their mommys?
Developer 2: "Damn, you're evil, they should put u as the end boss of wotlk"
Developer 1: "Muahahahahah"
-.-
Now that I see it, it would also be fun to see people pulling their hair off because the Rainbow Pony didn't drop for them during children's week :)
Comentario de
rainkeltoia
Apparently we're finding that all the swapping makes AV glitch a little... when you die... you are dead for good at least on my Battlegroup
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I hate giving up on the drake this far into the year-long achievement, but I can't take the endless hours of PVP that this one stupid piece is taking.
Waaaa!
Just finished it on my 73 Hunter.
Yeah, I came back! Sucka's!
*Oh yeah....thats 3 now since it started......LMFAO!*
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I can see that attempting this event is utterly pointless and basically a waste of time. It does not encourage team-work. At least I wished I could have received credit for being close to the point when it was capped or if we had won.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
*Sorry, I laughed so hard I started crying!*
Oh Blizzard, pweezzzzz just hand it to me! Its just tooooo hawwwwd!
Hey.....just giving it back... ;)
Is fun to do right...?
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Because the point of it is to do PvP (Player Versus Player).....not PvNPC......
Duh!
Comentario de
Manstus
I was fortunately able to complete this achievement this evening. All told, I was about 5 hours of PVP playtime, and I was getting kind of frustrated so I would quit after a handful of attempts and go do something else. I feel for everyone that does this achievement, and also for the people who actually love BG's for the objectives and accomplishment as the BG's can be very difficult to do when everyone is in it to win it. This being said, I am a casual PVP'er, in that I love BG's, premades, etc, and I do have a full PvP gearset and do alright, but I'm not terribly gifted in the reaction time department.. here is my analysis of the BG's you need, and their difficulty:
Warsong Gulch: This one can either be very annoying or very easy depending on what the other side is doing. This one is probably your second easiest one, in that in about half the BG's there are groups that are just trading flag caps. One person from alliance goes horde side, picks up the flag, and keeps dropping it, and vice versa from the horde side. If you find yourself in WSG, you may want to announce to teammates to be slightly patient when the opposite faction grabs the flag and don't immediately go to killing. If they're playing it properly, you will need to kill them, but wait until they start running. If its a fun game of trade the flag, just wait your turn (by non-stop clicking where he's dropping the flag until you get it!)
Arathi Basin: I actually find this one not terribly bad, but I am pally with Crusader Aura + Aura Mastery to get there first. Head to Goldmine or Lumbermill and start capping, hopefully the other team is ignoring one of them (I always go LM at the start of AB's, and typically get a free cap 50% of the time when Children's Week isn't on). Shouldn't be too bad. I've also seen groups go to the goldmine and dance and trade caps. Alliance caps, horde waits until its fully capped, then takes it back (you need to take it, not defend it, returning a flag thats not fully capped counts as a defence, so be very patient).
Alterac Valley: I can see this one being absolutely horrendous with 40 people and 4 towers... fortunately when I did it, people were all standing in towers not attacking each other, but capping and recapping the flags.. pray you get as lucky as I did, or run to the opposing BG chief and cap one of those two towers, as it is possible to win the race - speed potions help - alot of people stop off at the first two towers.
Eye of the Storm: I had a miserable experience with this one, as you're fighting the other team, your own team, and the objectives because your own team isn't doing them. You MUST have at least one base capped to get the flag. No bases, no capture. Everyone is going to bum rush the middle, and shaman's will knock you off and its super annoying. That being said, go slightly slower than others (also resummon your orphan there, i typically outrun mine for some reason, and had to get two caps). I hate to suggest being selfish, but help your teams carrier to the base, and you will be followed by the opposite faction, protect them until close, let them die, and grab the flag for yourself... I'm very sorry to recommend this, and if you can do it normally, all the better!
These are just how I did it, and a couple of suggestions, but it will be one of the least fun achievements for the PvE and PvP players alike, as both seem to strongly dislike the others presence in their BG's.
Edited a couple times for spelling and clarity.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
NIce!
Add one more "Strategy" post to a thread of already umpteen "Strategy" posts....
This is nothing more than a place for WoW's finest losers to cry.
LMFAO!
Another post for the negative ratings.....I will have the most here by the end of this event, I F@#$ing promise!
Because if you can't reason with them, just join'em!
Comentario de
Manstus
Just because you did it, and other people are voicing their displeasure at the achievement doesn't mean you need to go out of your way to be a %^&*!@ on every other comment and call them cry babies. Grow up, people don't like this achievement, both PvE'ers and PvP'ers alike.
Comentario de
Manstus
You're a real winner, stalking the comments here and replying to every one calling them crybabies. I see there are lots of other strategies, and given the open nature of the comment system, I decided I would leave my impressions, as more information and perspectives most certainly don't hurt other people's chances at completing this.
Comentario de
Skullhawk13
You have to be the one to do it, already on here just moving it higher
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Stalking? No, seeing how many more losers complain rather than just do....
Toon #4 only has AV to do, and she is done with the Achievement all hate.
And I am only speaking the truth...they are a bunch of crybabys'. I am just doing what they are doing. Looks to me like they can't handle it though...poor lil baby's.
Heres a thought:
Wipe!
Delete!
ITS TOO F#$@ING HARD!
Help any?
Stop crying and GO GET IT DONE.
Talking about "Another nail in the coffin of WoW"....pathetic. Give up the game dude, if a PvP achievement is going to cause you an ulcer.....
You don't want opposition in "your" thread...oh wait, it isn't "YOUR" thread, it is a "Public" thread. Stop running it like it is a one sided conversation, and let people say what they want. Suppressing someone because they don't agree with you is really quite childish, moreso than my recient posts are. Negative rating because I presented a voice of opposition that included words of encouragement. I didn't start off rude, I was trying to encourage some of them; they started me down this path of rudeness through their actions.
Don't judge me without having the whole story.
Comentario de
Moombers
I think you may want to go to the forum to discuss your frustrations with the posts here (this isn't the place to do it; not the type of thread you're thinking of, since it is a database page.) Or, take a walk outside. I always find that it helps.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Ummm, no.
Frost Lotus sometimes "Drops" with another herb.
AN ACTUAL FROST LOTUS CAN BE FOUND IN WINTERGRASP.
Was that clear enough? I can make it bigger if you need it to be so.
I have farmed and "actual" Frost Lotus node on several occasions...they are just rare; and they only show up in Wintergrasp.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Noted, and taken under advisement...and just as quickly cast aside, as you have done to me.
Take care....
*Since you brought it up.....
This is a "Database" right?
So...why is it full of nothing but complaints?
Wait! Don't answer....go view the entire...database before you reply.
Now, again you said "Database"? I offer constructive criticizm and advice. However, my "database" posts are ding'd because they don't fit the "complaint" database? or is this the complaint department database?
That could be where I went wrong.
I have just as much right to post here as the complainers do, stop picking on me and concentrate on them some more.
Thank You.*
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Lets see if an attempt to "help" someone on their post will be ding'd...
I put Aspect of the Pack on, and lay down traps for my flag carriers, and Flares if they were up.
For the non-PvP'er
....Aspect of the Pack = BAD in PvP. You can actually upset those around you by using this.
Your EotS is good aside from that.
Anyway, at the top of these towers are some NPC's guarding these banners. If you're lucky, you can run past the NPC's and click the banner if you're in a group, but if not, try using your pet for classes with them.
There is a way to do this while in combat (with the tower guards) if you can get into a "sweet spot". Alliance have it easy, if they can get past the guards. The guards do not move from their spots. You have cover inside from them to get your flag; Horde has it a lot harder, as the Alliance bunkers are open on top, with partial covering between their guards. The flag is at the back of the bunker, within view of 2 to 4 guards; so getting the flag is a challenge, but is possible. To do it, you need to stand to the side of the barrier, near the flag, as close as you can get to it, but out of the sight of the guards. You do not need to be a rogue or hunter for this, as you can still take a flag if you are engaged in combat with the tower guards. You might take a few arrows trying to do it, but when you do, adjust a little and try again.
....and if you are the first successful person to click the flag, you get this prong of the achievement met.
What addon are you running for this? I don't get a pong or a message, I have to manually check to see if it was me...
Anyway, there are 5 flags (Stables, Blacksmith, Lumbermill, Goldmine, Farm) that you will be after; so will the other side. Alliance almost always hits Stables (closest one to their start point) before Horde hits the Farm (closest to the Horde start point). If you don't get it on the first try, move on to the next flag. The flag does not have to be captured fully by the other side to get credit for it; if you can "click" the flag (a "gear" looking thingy pops up as your cursor when you mouse over the flag), do so. If you get to a flag and someone else is trying for it, do it anyway; they might catch a spell or shot from a hunter and break, leaving you to get it cap'd.
hopefully you will be in an understanding BG group and help each other out.
At the risk of persecution, i have to say that in the beginning of the battle starting, not everyone is on the same page; Horde & Alliance. As you stated, HOPEFULLY your battleground group is understanding and has a desire to help. After a few kills, and a few attempts at grabbing and dropping the flag in the other teams flag room, it can usually go well. If your goal IS to get the achievement, smack your teammates when they immediately start killing the enemy in your flag room that has picked up and dropped the flag 2 or 3 times...that is usually an indication that that person is TRYING to help you out.
Not too harsh I hope? Just noticed you had not updated yet, so I figured I would help you correct a few things.
Yeah, I can be nice too....
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Its funny.
I have gotten the Matron/Patron on 3 of the 4 toons (Hunter is only 73) I have run since yesterday (Sunday) and am down to 5 remaining for the rest of the week. My experience in the BG's is a lot different than what I am seeing in here. In AV for example....
Both sides set the flags up so the other side can do their achievement; this is done by the 40 - 60% who are there for the achievement. The remaining players from both sides are business as usual. After about 10 or so minutes, when the other side is obvioulsly frustrated and starts killing us all, we shft into BG mode again, and win AV. For some reason, a small group of 80's can take Van out in less than a mnute with 2 or 3 towers still up. So, while my experience might not be your experience, that is what I have dealt with, and that is why I like it. Because I am not just in there "for the achievement" I stick around and help with the win after I get mine done!
I am getting 2 toons a day done...and as I have said before, I suck at PvP. I haven't been active for quite some time, and I am running in PvE gear. I manage a few kills now and then when I am forced to fight, and I HELP my team and any Ally who shows me their intentions are good!
Anyway, I just put that up for the few who will see it before it is rated off the screen....
Starting #5 after class / work tomorrow.
Heh...
Comentario de
Hywell
And Blizz will continue to force PvE on those who don't enjoy doing it...
It works both ways!
Comentario de
AlternateTheory
Been said before, but I will say it again.
I HATE THIS ACHIEVEMENT!
The design of it just isn't fun (imo) which breaks one of Blizzards tennants I think?
They could have made it "win in each of the BG's with the orphan", or perhaps "HELP" defend a flag cap etc, Those options I think could have made bg's quite fun with increased activity from players that wouldn't normally play and perhaps even convince some to play bg's more.
Instead they choose to make it "click something faster than 10 to 20 to 40 other people and hope you have the lowest ping" which encourages the players not to be entirely cooperative (i.e. it doesn't matter if your team wins, only if you click first).
The net result, the bg regulars get $%^&ed off that their bg's are ruined... the non bg players instead of discovering BG's can be fun, discover that it is entirely not fun, and end up not wanting to be there.... The design just isn't fun.
Comentario de
Revhammer
agreed - I farmed one and got TWO Lotus's from one plant! ;o)
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Battlegrounds were already ruined for me due to the lack of cooperation on the Horde side; on my Battlegroup. Too often people get in there with the apparent mentality that all that matters is the most kills. Its nice to see a large portion of the people in there now that are actually after the same thing....this is the time that my Battlegroup actually expresses something that resembles "teamwork" (loosely used here too).
I have said it before and I will say it again; the intent, as I see it, is to get the non-PvP'ers into the battlegrounds to experience the entire game. Some people who never go in due to lack of knowing what to do, or fear of character death, find that they really do enjoy the battleground, and continue after the events are over. Yeah, I have chatted with a few in Trade....
People here are mad, because its too hard, or as they see it, it ruins it for them. Just be glad it doesn't last longer than a week......
Sorry to hear you are having a less than enjoyable experience.
Comentario de
pagandenma
I'm running my first shot at this achievement and as of the server maintenance today have it 50% completed. Admittedly, I have it easier than others, being a Resto/Boom Druid with Alchemy that gives me both Endless Mana and Endless Health potions. Also my Guild is running BG nights for the achievement.
EotS was the easiest in my opinion. Let your side get 2 spots capped and defended, go grab the flag with your orphan out and cap the sucker. As a Druid, I HoT-ed myself up, put on Barkskin, went Travel Form and ran like hell. AB was also easy, since I was on Farm defense and simply kept my orphan out and clicked the flag when we needed to take it back after we killed the Alliance going after it.
Other things that are helpful? Make sure you have a Medallion of the Horde equipped as a trinket and make a macro for it (/use Medallion of the Horde). It's got a cooldown, but it's great in a pinch to get you out of a bad situation. Use every defensive ability you can - I keep my Thorns up and use my Nature's Grasp and Barkskin repeatedly in the BG's.
AV and SotA are tonight, in a pre-made I'm leading, if I don't get one or the other after server reset. I love my Guild; we're such a bunch of achievement hounds!
Comentario de
Alcasczar
Ok this achievement is the worst and will be the bane of me getting a drake cause in Stormstrike Battlegroup, the que times for horde are over an hour and a half long for ab, 2 hours for av not to mention the fact that alliance are camping every freaking area so we don't get this achievement.
Blizz really screwing us on this event. I won't be having the fast drake this year for damn sure.
Comentario de
Videobrain
There should be a feat of strength for getting this and surviving all of the turtlefests and loses.Most of the time i get the battlegrounds that are part of this achievement and im one of 2 (or 5-10 in av) people with over 0 resil...I havent won a wsg or EoTS since this holiday started.>.<
Comentario de
Dornaa
Usually there are few toons from opposing faction helping you getting your achievement. Me and boyfriend got our AV, Warsong, and AB achievement cause there was some guy dere helping us put the flag back up. And we saw many peeps doing this voluntary job on Warsong nor AB.
But no one helping for Eye of the Storm tho, cause everyone's gonna aiming for the flag. Good luck!
Comentario de
Ineluki
As Arnold would say:
"Stop whining!"
Also from Conan the Barbarian:
Mongol General: ...
"Conan! What is best in life?"
Conan:
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women!"
Seriously guys, stop whining about this achievement. It's sickening to see how easy everyone wants everything to be.
"Please mail me a 310% mount Blizzard! I don't want to actually have to do anything that requires any bit of effort other than riding around and visiting elders or eating food!"
Where did this attitude come from? Who taught you kids that we sometimes have to actually work for our earnings? Not everything is given to you in life. What's the point in an achievement if it doesn't require some degree of effort?
So take Conan's attitude, hop into the battlegrounds and spend a few hours in them. You'll see these achievements come quicker than you think if you TRY. I got this particular achievement done in under 1 and 1/2 hours.
Perhaps I was lucky, but I did notice people are willing to help one another if you actually dare to type in /bg chat. If I see you in my battlegroup, you can be sure I'll go out of my way to help you, even if you downrate this comment.
I'm sure I'll get downrated, but I'm sick and tired of seeing so many people whining. Sack up and be Conan!
Comentario de
Lucielin
Is this meta a PITA? Yes, but it's not impossible to achieve. All told, I spent roughly 3 hours getting this done, and I only venture into BG's when there's a world event going on. First off, I'm a feral druid, which makes certain things a bit easier. Here's how I did it.
I started in AV since it is the one I am most familiar with. It took me 2 tries to get it. I just ran to the first tower and got to the top as quickly as I could. Since everyone else was trying to do the same thing I was, this was a little difficult. We ended up getting some sympathetic Hordies storm that tower on my last try, and we just traded flags back and forth. Still had some Huntard capping Hordies even though we told him to stop. Beware of idiots.
Next, we went to WG. Took a few tries to get this one, I'd say about five. Thankfully queue times were pretty low. We ended up getting more sympathetic Hordies in this one. We would just let them in and pick up the flag, and they would drop it. Once everyone had the achievement, we all had a cross-factional dance party, and went back to business.
Arathi Basin was pretty quick too. I knew everyone was gonna zerg the stables, so I went straight to the mill. I got beat by a couple of pallies, and I was greeted by more sympathetic Hordies. We traded caps a couple of times so that everyone who was there got the achievement, and then went back to business.
Finally, we attempted EoTS. I had a clear advantage here with travel form and cat form with sprint. Low latency and a fast connection helped here as well. I ended up getting this one on my second try. I got to the flag first, picked it up and headed for the mage tower which was under alliance control. Unfortunately, my gf didn't have her little guy out, so even though she got the flag on the same try, she didn't get the achievement. We ended up having to queue up 10 or so more times. Alliance sucked in EoTS that night.
So, this came down to a bit of luck in running into cool Hordies and some dedication. Even if you get your achievement early, don't be a doof and /afk. At least stay and complete the bg. Even though I hated doing this, I found that I kinda liked bg's, just not while going after metas. A fast connection can help you too, as well as having some friends log in to help you out. This is definitely do-able; it will take dedication and a lot of frustration. Good luck!
P.S.
One thing that might help is this little macro I made.
/wait
/point
/target Human Orphan
Of course you can insert whatever kind of orphan you have. Makes it a lot easier to signal your intentions if you put this thing in your cast bar somewhere and affix a hotkey to it.
Comentario de
TamChronin
You don't need to be good at pvp for this. I don't have much in the way of pvp gear, just stuff that dropped in Vault that no one else wanted. What I did have is a guildie that helped me out and watched my back. A lot of patience and a bit of luck helped as well. Sure, some people are being total jerks about the holiday and making it as hard for you as they can as soon as they see your orphan. Some people are going out of their way to be helpful, though. Just because it's hard doesn't mean it's impossible for people who don't like to pvp. Just keep trying.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Nice!
-36 now
Who has lower?
Keep it up guys! We still have 4 more days to go!
*Woohoooo!
-48 now
? You guys are AWESOME!
Don't fail me now, lets try for 4x my actual post count!
*
Comentario de
Zanderlane
....you are a GOD!
They are actually rating you UP!
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I kinda thought "Iron Man" was the worst achievement.
I have only ever gotten 2...
Comentario de
Alcasczar
Ok this achievement is the worst and will be the bane of me getting a drake cause in Stormstrike Battlegroup, the que times for horde are over an hour and a half long for ab, 2 hours for av not to mention the fact that alliance are camping every freaking area so we don't get this achievement.
Blizz really screwing us on this event. I won't be having the fast drake this year for damn sure.
Comentario de
AlternateTheory
Arnold would also say he is your
"Father"
and that he will give you the
"Wrong Advices"
;)
Comentario de
Alcasczar
Don't quite understand why blizz has to F**** us on achievements by throwing in pvp crap when there are many of us who gave up on PVP when bc released. Lets face it, once they put in resilence, that totally has ruined pvp cause the skilless pvpers can actually pvp now . Anyway I feel violated to have to pvp for a GD achievement... Drake isn't all that F it.
Comentario de
Kreutz
I am really upset about being forced to PVP when you do not want to. My wife plays wow for the purpose to gain achievements and she hates PVP with a passion... This was her last and final world event before obtaining her drake and since her character isn't the best geared, she is stuck TRYING to get this dang thing done. Not all of us like to PVP! Please stop trying to force us into it. -.-
Comentario de
Yridar
On top of all, the achievement discription is not completely accurate :S
For EotS the meta says you need to capture the flag with you orphan out... Well, you also need to deliver that flag to a tower, but the meta doesn't say that. Way to go Blizz...
For AB you need to assault a flag with your orphan out... Again Blizzard is not being totally honest with you... you must also capture that same flag!
IMO Blizzard HAS to do 1 of 3 things here...
1)Remove this achievement from the meta all together.
2)Make it so that being close to someone who is performing and achieving the feat, gets you the reward too.
3)Only 1 out of the stated 4 should be enough to pass the whole darn thing.
Comentario de
Yridar
On top of all, the achievement discription is not completely accurate :S
For EotS the meta says you need to capture the flag with you orphan out... Well, you also need to deliver that flag to a tower, but the meta doesn't say that. Way to go Blizz...
For AB you need to assault a flag with your orphan out... Again Blizzard is not being totally honest with you... you must also capture that same flag!
IMO Blizzard HAS to do 1 of 3 things here...
1)Remove this achievement from the meta all together.
2)Make it so that being close to someone who is performing and achieving the feat, gets you the reward too.
3)Only 1 out of the stated 4 should be enough to pass the whole darn thing.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
If it makes you feel any better, they said you will be able to level your current mounts (flying) to
310%
once Cataclysm is out.
But you probably don't care since it came from me.
Comentario de
Jonamar
Yeah this one is a PITA no doubt about it.
However, I am no PvP'r by any stretch of the imagination but I managed to knock this out this afternoon.
AV was the easiest, several of us traded caps at the furthest tower with some hordies and we all got that one. The /Truce thing worked here.
AB wasn't too bad, I beelined for the Gold Mine and managed to get it. It looked as if a few people were trading caps as the BG went on but your mileage may vary with cooperation between horde and even our own ally. Turns out some of our PvP'rs poo poo on us PvE'rs invading their sacred BG's.
WG - took about 6 tries. I am not a good clicker and missed out on retruning a lot of flags I helped kill. Half the people hung out at the flag and we waited for the sacrificial horde to show up. The horde were pretty much doing the same thing for most of them.
EOS - Ugh. By far the worst. Some PvP nerd rager even told us at the beginning of one that: "If you are here for the achiev then you might as well leave. EOS is for hardcore PvP'rs only."
I got the achiev. on that BG lol.
This one is pretty much you are at the right place at the right time, can grab the flag and manage to get it to one of your bases without being brutalized on the way there.
All in all my brain is fried from all the PvP. I'm glad I got it done and all on my own. It was a major headache but it can be done people, a lot of good advice in this thread. Don't give up hope, just keep clicking ;)
Comentario de
HAcoreRD
I'll let you guys know the tale of my suffering.
-Total time: Approx: 4 hours 23 minutes (Stop Watch).
Alterac Valley: Fast and easy. I joined a late game and I rushed the Alliance head on (Horde was on defense). I invisible and walked past the alliance and was able to gain enough ground to mount without anyone hitting me to charge the first Alliance bunker I saw. Ran in, dumped Mirror Image to disrupt the archers and capped. 1 try
Warsong: Simple, but long queue. We 'negotiated' with Alliance by sending 2 players over to them and /pointed at our Orphans, then picked up and dropped the flag. Alliance would (when done) kill those 2, then do the same for us. 1 try.
Arathai Basin: LONG queue, 1 hour and 10 minutes. The queue was bad, luck was good. Popped my orphan, then ran into gate until it opened. I tagged the flag first ONLY because I had blinked up to it. Capped n Bailed. 1 try.
Eye of the storm: 30-50 minute queue each time. This was hell. Straight up. It's luck. Luck you don't get hit when grabbing. luck you don't get road side ambushed. Luck a Shaman with a hard-on doesn't Thunderstorm you off. My blast wave would kick people to the ledge, but not enough to send them into the abyss. It became a long plight and in the end, when I finally got that game winning flag and I bolted to the base, I actually had my heart racing. EotS makes this achievement unbearable. 3 tries.
Is this do able? Yes. Is it hard? Yes.
Honestly, I feel bad for PVPers as I did for myself. Everyone B Lines for the center and fights there. Well, even more so now. This achievement would've been....well, better, if i encouraged team work or gave people in 10 YD credit, as opposed to 1 lucky player. I say this after completing this, mind you. Save others the stress I put on myself.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I think in EotS, it is common knowledge that "capture the flag" means to take it to the base....sorta like any other CTF game out there.
Just pointing that out.
*Wait...what exactly did you mean ...
For AB you need to assault a flag with your orphan out... Again Blizzard is not being totally honest with you... you must also capture that same flag!
Assaulting the flag means to turn it to your side. You don't have to make it change over completely, you just need to control it. That is done by "assaulting" it.
(feel free to fade this out)
Comentario de
Amaranthina
Thank you for your clarification Zander, don't know HOW I could have EVER forgotten that....especially with Blizz shoving it down our collective throats every time a new World Event rolls around. /sarc
Comentario de
Amaranthina
Despite those who marked your comment down, you are unfortunately, correct. Which begs the question: Why even differentiate between "PVP" and "PVE" servers anyway? The ONLY difference is one you're constantly flagged PVP, the other you aren't.
Pity Blizz couldn't be gracious enough to provide server-type oriented achievements (ie leave the "School of Hard Knocks" achievement "as is" on PVP servers and either change it or drop it altogether for PVE servers..)
But then again, murlocs could come flying sideways out of rectal cavity singing the Oompa Loompa's National Anthemn too...
Comentario de
ODPwcca
Absolutely true!
Well, no achievement and drake for me then.
Damned Blizzard, expect PvE people on a RP server to do hardcore PvP things? How wrong can you be?
Comentario de
gof22
You complain about them acting like that but you decide to act like them? Isn't that called being a hypocrite? You are acting like such a child just because people don't like your posts.
Boo-Hoo! wowhead user 15,756 rated my post down, this totally gives me the right to act like a spoiled brat. /sarcasm.
So what if people don't like your posts? Does that affect you in anyway? No, it doesn't. Stop your childish trolling and get on with your life. Who cares if people here don't like you. Moombers was trying to be nice to you yet you acted just like the others and cast aside his advice.
How the hell do you know he cast aside your advice? You don't, you just decided to act like a little hypocrite because everyone else is treating you like an unwanted child. Considering how the way you act I can see why they do.
Grow up and quit acting like a stupid kid!
Comentario de
Rhiadana
Don't know what Blizzard's rationale was for putting this in a holiday achievement but it probably wasn't to foster inter-faction cooperation which is what actually takes place.
Warsong Gulch is probably the funniest. Just stand around in your flag room till the opposing faction arrives. They take the flag and drop it, you take turns picking it up. then you all trot off to the other flag room and return the favour.
pointless.
Comentario de
gof22
I don't see how this achievement has anything to do with Childrens Week. If you had to take your orphan to these places without having to PvP than it would make more sense. If anything, this belongs in the PvP achievement conditions and not the holiday achievements.
Comentario de
Piovra
Having
low latency
is the key to soloing this achievement.
I did every part of this achievement on my first attempt except EoTS, which I had to do twice simply because I forgot to have my orphan out...
You need the following:
1. Low latency.
2. Deadly Boss mods or any mod which will count down to when the BG starts.
3. The ability to move in a straight line from A to B.
You do not need:
1. PvP skills.
2. PvP gear.
3. Speed potions, auras or anything to increase mount speed.
At the start of a BG, get as close to the gate/barrier as possible, but don't run. Wait for the BG to start and start running at the exact time when the battleground starts (use the timer from DBM or similar addon) and you should be able to get a slight head start on everyone else, if you time it right and your latency is low enough. Then just make sure you run as economically as possible, shortest route to the flag/tower and it's easy as pie. I can do this 90% of the time thanks to my low latency.
Getting first to the farm in AB is trivial, most people get stuck in the doors since they run before the BG starts or don't know how to run in a straight line to the flag.
In EoTS you might be the first one to be attacked so you may fail to cap but usually the other players will run past you when you have clicked the flag and engage the enemy - all you need to do is turn around and deliver the flag. If you fail there is no point sticking around, just abandon, wait 15 minutes and retry.
In AV you can't mount immediately, but run/sprint/blink until the icon for your mount lights up and hit it immediately as it does so and you should be one of the first to get off. You obviously need to know the shortest route to the towers, if you haven't been in an AV before, get one match in before you attempt this, the BG lasts long enough for you to get a couple practice runs in if you need that. In AV you can actually be the second one to reach the tower, the first person will likely get attacked and will fail to cap the flag. Having an aggro reset helps of course.
WSG also benefits from low latency as you don't necessarily have to be the one to kill the flag carrier, all you have to do is click the flag first, to which having low latency works like a charm. Just make sure you are close to the flag when the carrier drops it.
So if you are a PvE type person who is afraid to do this achievement but you are lucky enough to have low latency, go for it! It is not as difficult as it seems.
Comentario de
Asuna
So far all I have is the AV part done. As a restoration shaman, with 0 pvp gear, this is difficult for me. Most horde players do not help each other out and most alliance players do not help either. I grabbed the flag in one WSG and dropped it in front of an alliance player, hoping that they would return it for their achievement and do likewise for me, but instead he returned it, slaughtered me, and laughed before I released.
However, I do feel bad for all the pvpers out there... having to deal with players that are strictly pve-geared and making their bg's harder.
A little cooperation from both sides would be fantastic.
Maybe Blizzard should make the pvp achievements optional, but that might be too much to ask.
Asuna
Shadowsong-US
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Oh, no, this was good, I just wanted to fill in a few blanks. When I first saw your post, it said you would update, and it had been up for 2 days.
Just wanted to lend a hand is all. Now I can go back to my
Crusade
for the highest negative rating!
Take Care.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I didn't start off like that, which you would know if you had bothered to click my name and view my posts starting from the first one. I was offering a little criticism to a few people that wanted to basically give up, which in my opinion is just stupid if you really want to get the mount. Trying to encourage them in my own way; which several people took as me being rude, even though on several occasions I put in "not to be rude".
Just because I am not all fluff and support for people wanting to give up doesn't mean I wasn't trying to help. Once someone decided to smart off to me, I decided I had enough, and proceded with my new approach.
As I said to someone else here, don't judge me until you have the whole story...
Please.
*
(this wasn't rude was it....0.o)
*
Comentario de
Zanderlane
You complain about them acting like that but you decide to act like them? Isn't that called being a hypocrite? You are acting like such a child just because people don't like your posts.
Look who's talking.....
It does affect me, in the form of suppressing my right to openly voice my thought on the subject. Lots of people in here complaining about something that really isn't that hard, yet they choose to just give up?
I
HATE
PvP.
I think I said that a lot in here as well. Also, I didn't start off with personal attacks, and honsetly I am sick of explaining myself every time someone comes in here and posts. You think you know it all, but you don't. Read the whole "database" like I did. You will see why I did this. I hate seeing people give up something because it is a little challenging, or because it isn't something they normally do in the game. I have helped too many non-PvPer's in game with this event, and I am glad to say that. People who have no idea what to do in the BG's, and I run them where they have to go, let them cap, and wait for my chance again. And I still get mine done....I TRY TO HELP.
Oh, one more thing...he wasn't giving advice in a kind way, he was trying to push me out. Notice how he said "database" yet to read this it looks more like a forum; as far as I am concerned, I AM in the right place. Which is what I said to him, and I wasn't rude about it. Dry maybe, but not rude. As far as get a life, I have one, and this is my entertainment...this and WoW, since I can do both at the same time.
Thank you for your concerns and input though, I always love to see what people have to say.
Mock me, I really don't care. As far as I am concerned, you guys are now my playmates, and I will mock you just as much. It isn't hypocrite, it is playing the game you are playing.....
And my rating is currently only -46....still 4 days, and I am shooting for 4x the amount of posts I have. So do me a favor, and help me reach that goal.
Comentario de
Kamiko
Tell me. Where ASIDE from Wintergrasp have you EVER seen an actual FROST LOTUS?
Ulduar.
Comentario de
BlackWvyern
Normally I wouldn't really mind an achievement like this, but the problem I'm having is doing it at level 75. The level isn't a problem because of other people's levels, but that fact that in my battlegroup, our AV queues for 70-79 take literally hours before one game pops. It is extremely frustrating to have to sit here and wait 3+ hours for one game where at least half of the people will be gunning for a tower cap as well.
I'm not even in it for the mount, I just want the title.
Comentario de
Kamiko
Saying "not to be rude" only communicates that you know you ARE being rude and want an easy way to say that you weren't. "But I said it wasn't rude!" doesn't mean that it wasn't.
Comentario de
Duskdagger
I got my EotS and WSG done this morning, rather easy tbh. for EotS, i ran straight for first flag, got it, and ran to BE tower and capped it, no hostile activity. then i went back to killing alliance :)
for WSG, there was an alliance nice enough to run into our base, grab flag, then let a couple of us kill him. being melee class helps, was real easy to click the flag.
I have to work on AB, AV, but will do em tonight after ICC.
Of course, dodging enemy fire during all of this will be fun. lol
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Not really sure who you are used to talking with, but when I use it, it is sincere. I honestly was just giving input that to some might seem "rude", and was clairifying that my intentions were not to be "rude".
However, in your case, take a flying !@#%ing leap loser.
Comentario de
Obolon
Ok, I have a lot to say. Some people might not like what I have to say, some may mock me, but some may appreciate it and say to themselves, "WoW! Great idea!" and then finally have a way to get this achievement.
First a side note to Andiae, about a dozen posts up : More than likely those Alliance guys are camped out to help you and you have to get your guys to stop attacking them, so they can help. I have been one of those Alliance guys camped out to try to help the Horde in AV and all too often, even if I was lying there sleeping, emoting /truce, /wait, /bow, etc. the horde would simply slaughter me. I would go back and persevere in my quest to help the horde who needed it.
Alrighty then...
Like so many others, I had a devil of a time with this achievement, mostly with the Warsong Gulch and Eye of the Storm caps, because I am stationed overseas on a military base with quite possibly the crappiest internet connection on planet earth, on a dialup and behind countless firewalls, filters, and proxy servers. I can play PVE realtively well, run 5 man instances and sometimes struggle through 10 man raids on a good day. I never have less than 4000ms latency in a battleground, and the more people the more my latency. I have roughly 10,000ms latency in EotS. I constantly disconnect. PvP is impossible for me. The later at night I get on, the better, just because fewer people where I am stationed are sharing the same crappy connection through their dialups, so my latency can improve, but my bandwidth never improves.
Because my connection is so bad, I have no choice but to solo for the most part, because I would not want to burden other people with my crappiness, so I am not part of a fantastic raiding or PvP guild who I can ask for help. I looked at this achievement as insurmountable. Period.
However, did I whine about it? No. I figure that for a 310% speed mount, you probably have to overcome some pretty big obstacles. It's not going to be a freebie. There is probably some part of this year long trek that is hard for everyone. I am dreading Midsummer where I will have to juggle 40 things in 15 seconds. That's the last thing I have to do for the mount.
All of that said, I did overcome this impossible task. How? Well, what I lack in bandwidth, I make up for in GOLD. Low bandwidth leaves you with a lot of time on your hands sitting around in the Auction House doing nothing but making money, because you just don't have the latency to run an ICC rep run at the moment. I make gold hand over fist.
My character is alliance. I have a couple banker toons on Horde side, so I logged on with one of those and offered 1000g to the first Horde character who saw me in Warsong Gulch on my Alliance character and would drop the flag for me to return and then wave at me and wait for me to wave back after I returned the flag (in case another alliance player ninja'd the thing). Most people just thought I was pulling their leg. I wasn't.
Then I got back on my Alliance toon and advertised the same thing in the trade channel in case anyone had a level 80 Horde toon and wanted to make some gold. Instead, an Elite Alliance Warrior chimed in and said he would group with me and make sure I got the flag return by killing any horde that grabbed it and letting me return the flag. He was true to his word and it took him killing about two dozen flag grabbing horde before my click on the flag registered. Several attempts failed at first, because other Alliance people would click it first or it would time out and return on its own before my latency allowed my click to register. Eventually I got it.
I paid him the 1000g.
Then I offered him 3000g to bring me a flag to cap in EotS. "No problem," he said. I suffered through about 12 disconnects and failed attempts to click on the flags he seemed to effortlessly bring back to me until I finally got the cap and hence the achievement completed.
Following the example set by the family recently in the news, I sent my stupid orphan packing on a plane back to Russia!
I was able to get the other two on my own very easily.
AV was the easiest, simply because of a nice Horde guy that stood there recapping the flag while all of us Alliance folks took turns capping it, me being last of course, because I was suffering tremendous lag. I wonder why this truce only seems to be taking place in AV and not the other battlegrounds?
Arathi Basin was rather simple. I never find it hard to at least assault one flag, being a rogue.
My only point in all of this diatribe is to stress that while some of the achievements we want may be extremely daunting and even downright impossible, there is probably some way you can overcome them. For me it was with Gold. I probably offered too much, but 4000g is nothing to me and I wanted to be certain that the burden of babysitting me through it was well worth it to the kind stranger who helped. I hate it when Blizzard nerfs achievements that I found a way through already, just because other people with no patience and 100 times the bandwidth I have want to compalin about it.
My suggestion : Stop banging your sippy cup, get mommy to change your diaper, so you have a nice, dry bottom, and sit down and get to work.
I haven't figured out how I will be able to juggle 40 of anything in 15 seconds for the midsummer meta, but even if I don't get through it and have to wait another year until I may be back in the States on vacation with high bandwidth or something, you won't hear me whining about it. I figure that if other people have done it, then so can I, somehow. No one ever said that life was easy. Not even virtual life!
Comentario de
Obolon
Yridar,
The descritions for the achievements are in fact exactly correct. In Arathi you have to ASSAULT the flag. That means just click it, let the progress bar complete for the assault, and then walk away with that task complete. The flag does not have to turn to your side.
In EotS you have to CAPTURE the flag. That means bring it back and CAPTURE (CAP) it on the base. It doesn't say assault the flag or grab the flag.
The terms are used correctly. Capturing implies that you end up owning it, completely. Assaulting it, as in Arathi basin, doesn't guarantee you capture it. You have to wait until the allotted time expires and the flag converts, during which the flag is still at risk of being assaulted by the opposing faction before it becomes captured.
Comentario de
Obolon
No one said that you HAVE to go for this achievement, so I am fairly certain that there will be no tears shed over you not getting it. I guarantee you that no one had a harder time of it than me, yet I found a way. Read my long post below.
Comentario de
Kurtosis
I'm finding the problem is not so much the achievements, but the bg queue times. It takes forever just to get into a single bg, and then you've got tons of people all going after the same things.
And if you're on the undermanned side of a dominated battlegroup, good luck when AB lasts 5m and you have to queue for 30m+ just to get back in.
The achievements themselves are fun and challenging, but for those of us who can't spend half a day at a time on them, the bar is a little too high. Bliz should mix up these achievements with some more-accessible world pvp and WG pvp ones too.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Hey!
Don't steal my flames!
I worked hard for them, they are mine!
Nice post. ;)
Comentario de
jwiegley
Well, you are clearly not a holy priest. Why don't you roll up yourself a nice level 80 clothy healer, properly equipped and practiced as raid support, and THEN go try this f*cking achievement.
Comentario de
Kurtosis
After queueing for AV several times, I discovered that the Towers/Bunkers near the center of the BG are often hotspots for Horde and Alliance helping each other with this quest, taking turns capping flags.
The pvp'ers usually cap those then run straight on to zerg opposing side's generals to try to win the BG, leaving only the achievement-hunters hanging out together in the middle of the bg.
Pay attention to your BG warning messages in chat/combat log. You may notice the BG warnings showing that one particular bunker or tower is getting captured and recaptured over and over throughout the fight. If so, make a b-line for it, b/c that is where the cooperative capping is going on.
Comentario de
jumbodog
The problem Yindar is that people who don't do PvP have no clue as to what those terms mean. If you play CTF you know what they mean. But if this is the very first time you have ever even heard of capture the flag you are clueless. So I agree with the poster here. The terms are jargon loaded and thus can be highly misleading to noobs.
Comentario de
jumbodog
The problem Obolon is that people who don't do PvP have no clue as to what those terms mean. If you play CTF you know what they mean. But if this is the very first time you have ever even heard of capture the flag you are clueless. So I agree with the poster here. The terms are jargon loaded and thus can be highly misleading to noobs.
Comentario de
twizzlus
One of the hardest things about this achievement is the queue times. I mean, US BG9 is a pretty popular battlegroup but very horde heavy if I recall correctly. An hour + queue for Arathi basin, only to join a game which is in progress and lost half a minute later? Great. It took my alliance character, on a BG9 realm one morning to knock out all achievements. Can't say the same for my priest, who is half way there, half way through children's week.
Comentario de
Jhannath
First, I'd like to say thanks, sincerely, for all the useful hints and tips to those who posted them. I have an active dislike for PVP, I was dreading this achievement, but since it's the only thing standing between me and that mount, I gave it a try.
In spite of the helpful advice found here, and the attempts to help by my patient guildies, two hours of frustration later I have a grand total of ONE of the four requirements, WSG, which is supposedly one of the easier ones. I also have an ulcer and a greater contempt for my fellow gamers, who all left their brains and their manners in their other pants when they came out to PVP that day.
It was not fun. It was not even hard, challenging, or difficult. It was horrible. And I thought...why am I here? I'm not having fun. These other people aren't having fun. And we're all giving up our hard-earned dollars and leisure time for the priviledge.
I am not a person who gives up easily. I am not afraid of a challenge. I have loremaster, seeker, and numerous rep achievements that involved long, tedious, tiring grinds and sundry other proofs of achievement addiction.
So, I have decided to not get the mount. This is MY recreation, and if I'm not having fun, I'm doing something else. I'm sure those of you who like PVP will be relieved to hear you won't have to contend with me bumbling about out there anymore, and I advise others who feel as I do to just skip it, as I have. There are plenty of other mounts to be had, and really, if you're not having a good time, why are you here?
Edit: lol..I just re-read over some of the other comments here, and realized Ineluki's "Suck it up and be Conan" post, which is pretty much exactly opposite to my own. Not to say that over-the-top-with-fixed-bayonets mindset is wrong, or anything...but I have a job, and WoW isn't it. Just saying.
Comentario de
TehOvermind
I for one have no problems with PvP achievements. Don't get me wrong, I despise PvP, but hey it's there and if you like it, well go ahead.
What I do believe is that you shouldn't mix apples and oranges, I like my PvE achieves, you do your PvP achieves....don't put PvP in my PvE.
This is what this achievement is....a nice apple pie....with a fish stick poking through it. Both are tasty. But they dont go together.
Comentario de
gof22
It is called being a hypocrite. You complained about them acting this way and now you act the same way. Considering that wowhead has the suppress comment function they have every right to suppress your posts and anyone elses.. If you hate that function than talk to the wowhead staff about it. Don't act like a spoiled kid.
Why do you care if people just give up in a video game? The players that give up do not affect you. They don't hold you back just because they don't have an achievement.
You say you like to help but now you are acting like troll and flaming this topic just because you are angry. Not a very mature thing to do. If you had kept your cool and dealt with it in a mature situation than more people would listened to you. Now, since you got all angry about it and are acting like an angry child people will suppress your comments even more.
Yes, it was mean what they did to your posts. At the same time you getting mad about it is no better. No, I am not mocking you. I just hate it when people get angry about stuff over the internet that can easily be solved by ignoring the situation.
Wow, they suppressed your posts. Get over it. It is not that big of a deal, especially if you keep in mind people do that type of stuff all over the internet.
If people suppress my posts I am not going to get mad because I know it isn't anything to get angry about. So what if people can not see your posts.
You do seem to care if people mock you since you thought my post was mocking you which it wasn't. There is no game, just a thread you are flaming and trolling. If anything wowhead might ban you over it.
Comentario de
Transducer
This can be very easy, through two different strategies.
The hardest two, WSG and EoS, require just one thing, surprised it's not mentioned yet:
a well-timed
SWIFTNESS POTION
:
Poción de presteza
Much,
much
easier to grab the flag when it's down. Better get several just in case...
edit: my mistake, the SWIFTNESS POTION was mentioned earlier too,
BUT IT CANNOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH! GET SOME SWIFTNESS POTIONS!
---->
Poción de presteza
<----
In WSG, I'd recommend lurking near the edge of the battlefield, towards the middle of the map, away from enemies but in sight of your base. You are far more likely to get to an almost-dead enemy flag carrier from here (presuming the enemy team's doing good, otherwise may as well lurk at base).
In EoS, definitely good idea to protect a teammate that DOES have the flag though, because it still has to be brought to a tower for the achievement.. otherwise, you'll have to compete with them again.
AB and AV are really just a matter of rushing to a location that ISN'T commonly attacked.
AB, rush for one of the two outer bases, Gold Mine or Lumber Mill, and right-click the banner. Very good chances you'll be the one to get it first.
AV, rush for the
second
tower, climb to the top ignoring all mobs, right-click the banner.
Contrary to a few earlier comments, you do NOT have to stay or survive the waiting-to-capture process.
You need to be first to click banner.
Also, the two further towers can be done as well, but it's much more risky (more likely to get killed by an enemy player on the way).
Comentario de
Theilea
Some of these just take luck. In EotS, my team was losing terribly, but a window just opened suddenly, and I grabbed the flag. Pure chance.
AV was tough because the horde were actively preventing people from taking the towers. Eagerly, even. I have one tactic that might help. I was running up a horde tower and a Tauren was chasing me. We were both at the top, and instead of fighting him I just ran around in circles at the top. I was a little faster as a DK in unholy spec, so he couldn't catch me. He gave up after about a minute, and I capped the flag. Turn on the name faceplates and you can see where they are through the walls.
Comentario de
PureG
i was waiting for 5hours 30min yesterday for an EotS BG. having played for 8-9 hours yesterday i got justs 1 game in there.
No other achivment has give me problems like this, right now i see the BG system as broken.
fix the BGs or take this out blizzard
Comentario de
Callicles
Your servers must be sparsely populated. On Argent Dawn every AV battle since the start of Children's Week has been crowded with orphans. It is not a question of getting to a tower with "little resistance", it is a question of getting there *first* in competition with at very least five others *per tower*. If you are not first, the tower will not be retaken, and you have to wait for the next AV. This step took me something like twenty tries, spread out over like ten hours.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
I was pleased to see -98 when I checked this morning. You guys are almost there, keep going!
Comentario de
BovinityDivinity
How does "almost everything" he said require things that every class/profession can't do?
The only thing "special" he had were the rocket boots to get to the flag first in EotS. Even without the boots, you can still just ride down there and grab it. Everyone else will be running to grab it too, but that's life.
AB? What, some classes can't run up to a flag and click it?
AV? What, some classes can't run up to a flag and click it?
WSG? What, some classes can't run up to a flag and click it?
And to jwiegley: What does being a Holy Priest have to do with clicking flags? You could do this achievement as any class in any gear. You could do it naked. None of the parts of the achievement require fighting any other players at all. Most of them will generally take you much less time to do than it probably took you to post that whine about it.
Comentario de
Pinkitteh
As chknnuggts said you can emote to the opposing faction and hope they co-operate.
I just completed this achieve on my 3rd toon this week with this method of using a macro to emote my intentions and taking turns with them on flag caps.
It was only very difficult on one character because I kept getting into BGs where people were just selfish and didn't want to co-operate on both my side and the opposing faction side. However, the other two I completed very easily because I got into bgs where people helped each other out.
It does help to pre-make even if it is just 3-5 of you together and not a whole premade, as you can take turns to assist and can count on at least your pre-made members to agree to co-operate which tends to encourage others to also join in and co-operate.
After doing it on more than one character I just want people to know that if you're really lucky and get it first bg grats, but if you have to try many times don't loose hope, just keep que-ing eventually you'll get into a good bg where people are willing to work together.
It is understandable that if you have to que a lot it does get frustrating, but remember you're not the only one that "just wants this stupid achieve, that's all I'm here for and I want to get it and get out!" You'll find most people doing the achieve is feeling that way. Especially since a lot of people are finding the que times ridiculously long.
So I suggest you que first then go do the other children's week quests and achieves while you wait for the bg to pop, or farm something you've been putting off doing for sometime, or shop/sell on AH while you wait, generally stuff you can do in-game that you can stop immediately if bg pops and can resume after bg.
And be realistic about estimating the time, it will take a few hours. Don't drive yourself nuts because you think it will take 5 minutes and plan a whole lot of other stuff in 10 mins time then stress because you can't do those things. So you should get your snacks and drinks set up, put aside a night when you don't have other things planned and prepare for a bg stake out!
Good Luck All, I hope you all find a friendly person of the opposing faction that will oblige to help you out. I sincerely am grateful for those that were so kind and polite to help me out (and I did make sure I returned the favor by helping them out too.).
Comentario de
Pinkitteh
tyguy21g
Yeah, you're one of the more utility classes with the ultimate in utility professions, ofcourse you find it easy, try doing it as a holy priest tailor/enchanter.
Every BG I watch the poor guys heal their @$$-es off and carry the bg by keeping everyone alive and in the fight, and they never get the flags at all because they are clothies with no way of actually hurting/slowing/pushing anyone away and they get wtf pwned if they stop healing for a second to click on the flag and forget beating others there, they have no speed boosts.
AND people like you who are fortunate enough to be the right kind of class and profession don't give them a chance, you just ninja it without even thinking of anyone else but yourself. They often have been fighting there for ageous and only just managed to clear the area when people like you drop out of the sky or zoom in on flaming boots and just nick it from under them.
I did the achieves on my resto druid and I had a hard enough time as one of the better flag capping/carrying classes, my heart really goes out to the poor clothies, particularly the healer priests, as they appear to be having the hardest time getting anywhere near any flags. I do hope people extend some courtesy to them before the end of the season.
Comentario de
aessae
As of today, the hardest part for me about this achievement is... getting to AB -_-
Average wait time 2 minutes - been in line for 1,5 hours now.
Comentario de
Eilonthay
I started working on this in about the same hour that the event opened, because I knew the PVP part was going to be the most difficult and the BGs were going to be the most active. Also, while I'm passably decent at PVP, I knew I'd be fighting so many other people for the same thing that at some point I would be about ready to hurl the mouse across the room in frustration and shut the game down for the day. That's what the lack of cooperation does to you. Besides give you a gut ache from the stress. Also, it was the EotS BG weekend, so there was extra honor every time I went in--let's just say that I spent so much time trying for that particular part of the achievement that I about earned myself a PVP mount. =/ Still didn't get it though.
I went through EotS about 15 times the first day with no luck and switched to WSG. The first one was a hair pulling experience that I just wanted to end (being camped at the graveyard by a rogue is absolutely no fun because you're generally dead within just a few seconds after coming back--yes, thank you, Mr. Rogue, I hate you too, even though we've never met before now.). It was also my first time in WSG, so there was some dying that had to happen before I figured out that no, there's a wall there and you can't jump over it to or go around it to escape the paladin gunning for you. The second time was
so
much better. We decided that we'd hang out in the base and wait for the Horde to come over...eventually they did, but it must have taken them a bit to figure out that we were after the achievement. They might have even been doing the same thing. Thankfully, they were a decent set of people and helped out. They came over, picked up and dropped the flag a few times, and we killed them a couple times when they wouldn't drop it, but still just stood there and danced, and when we were done, we went over and sacrificed ourselves so they could get it done. Once that was out of the way, we got down to the ruthless killing, though it was pretty laid back, compared to the first one I was in. I don't think anyone was really trying all that hard, but we had our fun and I didn't mind losing. But rogues drive me crazy and can be real asses. I still don't know my way around the map and I can honestly say that it will be a cold day in Hell before I go back there ever again. Hats off to those of you that become exalted with the Silverwing Sentinels.
I went into Arathi twice with no luck...hard to do anything when you come in a minute from everything being done. The third time was difficult, but a Belf priest was nice enough to let me cap the stables before taking it back--then I got stun-locked by a stealthed rogue and died. I felt bad about my pet trying to eat her face for a couple seconds before I figured out what she was doing. Oops. >_<;;; Arathi's not so bad, overall, but again, I'd only been in there a couple of times before, so I didn't really know where I was going. I remember that the first time I was there (for the
Love Fool
achievement, actually), I had fun, so I might go back.
EotS happened completely by accident. Before, everyone made a mad dash to the center--I realized quickly that I'd never get the dumb flag first, so I always ran to MT to cap it before trying for a flag later. I can't tell you how many times I managed to pick up a flag, only to have a rogue destealth and stun-lock me, or pick it up and have the BG end before I even had a chance to run anywhere. Well, last night I ended up in a group that went about it waaaay differently than usual. The leader gave cap assignments and threatened to kick anyone that rushed to the middle like a "nubcake" (I thought he was being a bit of a jerk because of what else he said)--I rolled my eyes at that and was like "yeah, yeah, whatever," but went off to FR anyway. Well, I was off and running to BE a few minutes later, when I glanced over and saw that the flag was about to respawn! And there was no one else there! So of course I ran over, clicked, looked around for other people, saw no one, hit
Cheetah
and took off—there was not a single person around and I was so excited and worried all at once and my heart was pounding so hard…it was more stressful than any raid I’ve ever been in and I didn’t enjoy the feeling. I did enjoy getting
two
achievements
at the same time as the Hard Knocks requirement. After that, I was able to go back to killing.
The last one was AV. It was my first BG and it's still my favorite because of the utter chaos that can result, so I knew exactly what I was getting into. I wasn't looking forward to it because everyone goes after the first two towers. I ended up not having to recruit a guild mate after all, like I had originally thought. It took 2 BGs to finish it, but that was just incredible luck...and I did it the Friday before the event ended, so maybe that had something to do with it. (/shrug) I knew it would be difficult and it was--the first time in, we zerged to the end, but because of lag, I was at the back of the pack and wasn't able to grab a tower. The second time was just plain dumb luck...we had planned zerging to the very end and so we did...except that somewhere about half way, we got separated in about three groups, probably because the Horde intercepted. I was too busy racing in the foremost group to check the map. I was able to race all the way to the end and found to my great delight that absolutely NO ONE had grabbed either of the towers (humanoid tracker FTW)!. And I hadn't even been the first one there. I didn't know what the other people were doing, running around like
ninnies
, when it was obvious everyone was already capping, but I wasn't about to pass up the opportunity. I raced my butt up that tower and clicked...and promptly spammed guild chat with achievement bars. It was, in a word, AWESOME. I was sooooo happy to be done with it that I was grinning for hours afterwards. Silly, but true. I can now resume PVPing at my leisure.
Perseverance is the key. Also, some patience, but totally expect to get so frustrated with every other person in the BG that you want to reach through the monitor and punch them in the face. You WILL eventually get it because there are actually nice people out there on both sides…it’s just sometimes difficult for some people (I’m looking at you, you stupid rogues!) to hit pause on their PVP instincts for a moment to let things get done. Make sure you're at the front of the pack, with all those paladins and you might be able to edge out that competition.
You know why I'm really so happy? Because I’ll have gotten the
albino
and
violet
drakes and a
title
in one fell swoop. I’ll be able to rest easy on major achievements and finish up the last couple holiday ones that weren’t requirements for the mount. Good luck to everyone and may the gods of fortune smile upon you! =)
(Also, it's stuff like this that makes me glad that I decided I was only going to have one toon gathering up serious achievements like this.)
EDIT: Forgot to update the AV part after I finished 5/7/2010.
Comentario de
Transducer
Why was this advice down-rated? If I'm giving bad advice, then reply and explain what strategies are bad... cause I don't see it.
P.S.: Swiftness Potion.
Comentario de
BovinityDivinity
My wife did all these achievements. (I'm not really into achievements, honestly.)
As a holy priest.
With no professions.
In PvE gear, because she doesn't PvP.
Seriously, stop acting like it's some kind of herculean feat to walk up to flags and click them. You're basically talking yourselves into this being an impossible roadblock when in reality you can usually get these done in very short order. You won't even have to fight anyone in most cases.
Just stop with the "I can't , I can't, I'm quitting." drama queen stuff and just queue up, walk over, click the flag, and be done with it. Voila.
Comentario de
BovinityDivinity
I'm not trying to be belittling when I say this, but do you understand how silly it sounds when you ask, "Why should I be forced to PvP for an achievement?"
There's plenty of 310% mounts you can get with nothing but PvE. So you can't use that as an argument.
Not every achievement in the game is going to be something you like or even want to do. There's a variety of them. There's supposed to be something for everyone. It's not meant to cater to one single type of player.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
You must be a nice person to actually take the time to heal a BG. My experience, we are on our own. If we DO get a heal, it is greatly appreciated; not expected at all however. Since this is an event, there really should be no reason for you to not be trying to get a flag; if you are healing it is by choice or sence of duty. Do what you feel you need to do, but if you want the flags, go after them.
Comentario de
gof22
What the hell is your problem? We get it, people suppressed your posts and you are angry about it. That doesn't mean you need to start trolling or flaming just because some people hated your comments. Here is an idea, try going to a different topic on wowhead. Get over it, nobody cares that your posts got suppressed. You are the only one making a big deal out of it.
If you haven't noticed a lot of the members who post here get their posts suppressed. They don't go around and troll just because their posts were suppressed. What I am trying to say is GET OVER IT! If you came here to help people than help people. Do not be a !@#$ just because some other @#$%s suppressed your posts.
No, those people suppressing your posts does not affect you. Does it affect you in the real world? No, it does not. Does it affect you on WoW? Nope.
If you are sensitive enough to get your feelings hurt by some suppressed posts than go ahead and cry.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Nice, I learned something new today.
Now if only I could get into a raid without a group.....
Comentario de
gof22
Wow, one person caused you to act like this. One person out of many. You are seriously generalizing if you think everyone on wowhead is like that. I think you are using you this as a scapegoat to go around and troll.
Comentario de
Zanderlane
Why do you care if people just give up in a video game? The players that give up do not affect you. They don't hold you back just because they don't have an achievement.
Maybe because I care about people. Yes, I know it doesn't look that way, but I also have the ability to adapt to an environment. That is basically what I did here. Tried to help a few people, got beat on for it, got up, brushed myself off, and fired back just as hard.
If anything, the people here are egging me on! Posting comments for me to reply to, when they could just simply
/ignore
me. They choose to continue, because they are having just as much fun as I am. They are *!@#ED! They need a punching bag. Since I can't help through encouragement, I help by being that punching bag.
Since I am posting again, try to view this. I bet that 1/3 of the people in here (past and present) who have posted their distaste for the achievement have since then gone out and gotten it. Will they come back in a change their posts? Doubtful. Look at what happens when someone does come in and post their success. Rated off the screen, by the people who are sooooo frustrated, soooo @#$%ed off, soooo insistant that Blizzard remove the achievement. Why should they? By my count, there are just under 300 posts here. Not all of them are from people wanting the achievement removed. This tells me, that in a pool of millions, less that 200 people want it removed....
Good luck with that petition....
I have 3 days left, and 4 toons to go, so for the time being, I am avoiding this; I have to consentrate to get my toons completed so that I don't have to come back and do what I hate the most next year. If you all really want to sit here and continue, I will pop in next week and reply to you. My advice: just give it another try, it really isn't all that hard. Not being a PvP'er isn't really an excuse. in some situations, PvP is not even required. If you get beat on, well, it happens. Get up, brush yourself off, try again. Unless your toon broke an ankle on the way down...
If you want it bad enough, you will try and do until you get it; if the ulcer starts getting worse, maybe it "IS" time for a new game.....
If people suppress my posts I am not going to get mad because I know it isn't anything to get angry about.
And that makes you a better person than me.
If anything wowhead might ban you over it.
That is a possibility. Considering I have alreay been in contact with them about this "database" that could be the outcome....we will see.
~Cheers
Comentario de
Zanderlane
/ROFL
...just made my day, and it was a bad one today.
Comentario de
Ryan256
I still don't understand why Blizz will not fix this achievement. As it stands the only way to complete it is luck.
Luck - that you will get a battleground with competant teammates.
Luck - that after waiting 2 hours in the queue your battleground doesn't end 30 seconds after you enter (yeah, happened to me 8 times)
Luck - if members of the opposing faction will allow you to get the achievement.
ALL LUCK! Blizz has removed other luck based achievements from being a requirement for the meta. Why not this one? Because if you're good enough you can win it with skill? BS! I don't care how good you are in PvP. When you're trying to capture the flag in EotS and your side controls NO towers. You are not going to succeed. I don't care how good you are.
It is a &*!@ poor way of introducing people to battlegrounds they may not normally venture into. Blizz's intention might have been to get people into these battlegrounds to show them how fun they can be. The problem is this achievement brings out some of the worst !@#$%^baggery I have ever seen in the game! Change it to where these feats can be done as a group! Requiring them to be done individually is what makes this achievement the worst.
Comentario de
gof22
I was hoping to make it worse. /sarcasm
Comentario de
Chocodave
I've read a lot of for's and against's about why this achievement should be removed from the Meta. And I gotta admit, Personally I'd love to see it gone and replaced with something a li'l more viable.
2 hours I've sat in a queue for Arathi Basin, while every 30mins I get to jump into Eye of the Storm just to lose 1600 - 0 because everyone runs to the center after the flag and no one caps towers anymore... I've read blue posts about how this achievement is totally obtainable. Well as I've now spent nearly 5 hours online and only managed to get into AB once, I'm at the point of calling shenanigans. The only thing I've truly achieved is running into the Ally base in WSG, picking up and dropping the flag a few times so other people have a shot at the achievement, coz I know I don't stand a hope in hell.
I know comments should be left at hints and hips that would help, so here is my advice. Next year, book a week off work. Tell any friends/family/significant other that you wont be around for a bit. And learn how to be patient... very very patient... With yourself and with n00bs who ignore PvP objectives and /afk the moment they've done what they need. I truly feel sorry for the PvPers who have their game screwed up for them during this week. I only have people like myself to blame...
Comentario de
knightsofdaze
After 2 tries trying to outrun people in AB I did this:
while waiting for the gate to open
/bg "Guys can you let me click on the first flag for the Orphan Achi "
"Sure"
ty, pls nobody click flag"
As soon as gates open - straight to Stables in a group - click flag - done.
Thanked everyone and then helped another 2 foster parents.
I think there are also a lot of people not after the achi that seem to not know, or notice if you have an orphan and just letting them know what you want to do can help.
Being polite can work with good people, and asking may save you a ton of time.
Comentario de
AlternateTheory
By my count, there are just under 300 posts here. Not all of them are from people wanting the achievement removed. This tells me, that in a pool of millions, less that 200 people want it removed....
Good luck with that petition....
Or you could treat it as a sample and infer that 2/3rds of the players (millions) want it removed ;)
I am one of those people you describe that has posted negatively about this achievement and subsequently gotten it (I was lucky).
However I stand by my post because my issue with this achievement is still the same, for a lot of people it simply isn't a fun achievement and can potentially be very time consuming (not impossible), ergo them coming here and voicing their opinion as such.
And anyone who suggests that a meta which takes a considerable amount of time spread across a year minimum is
"free"
if School of Hard Knocks were changed to something more fun (e.g. less rng/clickfest, and more play the bg as it is intended) is being narrow minded about what is required to complete What a long strange trip and the penalty for missing even one part of it.
That aside I think you coming back and encouraging people is a good thing and constructive, as there is the other side of the coin which is the
casuals
(I'm one of them) do need to be reminded that voicing a complaint is one thing, but if they want this meta they will need to knuckle down.
Comentario de
Antonz
It's very funny to read. People continue downrating posts made by Zanderlane, who writes sometimes cynical but very practical comments with helpful details (and also posts by some others with similar attitude) and uprating posts made by whiners and cry-babies who asking for removal from meta like a small kids, instead of trying. World is just crazy. Aren't you guys ashamed about how weak and miserable you are?
Comentario de
beachboy
Please stop with the longwinded posts describing your every struggle in each of the battlegrounds. We don't care.
Comentario de
CaptainFalafel
I managed to do this last night, and was the last achievement I needed for the Violet Drake. Here was my experience, it may, or may not, be helpful. I credit 2 of the metas to engineering:
WSG: First one I got, very luckily. 2 Horde were standing near the flag and would pickup and drop our flag letting us get this.
AB: We capped the Lumbermill, and fended off the Horde there coming up from the east. A group made their way over to the Blacksmith from the North side, and the Horde occupying the blacksmith went to defend against them. Using
Nitro Boosts
and my cloak with
Flexweave Underlay
, I leapt from the lumbermill landing right next to the BS flag and managed to cap it just before the Horde noticed, and slaughtered, me.
EOTS: First we capped two towers, then I made my way to the flag. In the fray, we downed the mage aoeing us, and I managed to grab the flag before anyone else. On my way back to a tower, a Warrior caught up to me. Thank goodness for the priest,
Fel Healthstone
, and people defending the tower.
AV: Used
Nitro Boosts
right out of the gate. Before the buff wore off, about 4 1/2 secs in, I mounted up. Had a fairly significant lead on the rest of the raid. Made my way to the first tower via the shortest rout possible, got hit by the archers, even fell off the third story to the second due to a malfunctioning mouse and STILL managed to cap the flag here.
I was ready to give up and boycott (like it would do any good) trying to get the EOTS one. Then I realized how close I was, how friggin cool the mount is, and that I probably wouldn't be able to get a 310% mount until Cata. All told, I probably put in 6 hours to complete this.
As the person above said; Luck. Plain and simple. And let me go on record as saying this is, indeed, the worst achievement ever.
Comentario de
gof22
I don't think the holiday achievements should force people to do PvP though. School Of Hard Knocks does not make any real sense to me. If we had to take an orphan to visit the battle grounds than it would more sense because it is like a field trip for them.
I hate PvPing. I don't buy PvP gear. I don't play WoW to fight other players, I play WoW to do instances, explore the lore, and do raids.
The PvP ones where you have to kill 50 enemies is much easier because the kills your teammates get also get added to your kill score.
Comentario de
gof22
If I get that achievement I am leaving the battle ground soon after. I don't care about winning the battle grounds. I just care about getting the achievement. Forcing players to PvP is silly. If it was that you had to visit all the battle grounds with your orphan than it would make a lot more sense to me.
Comentario de
gof22
It should last for two weeks. That way people would have ample time to get the achievement.
Comentario de
gof22
Why should they be ashamed? Are you ashamed for asking a question you should already know the answer to? How are people weak and miserable just because they don't like an achievement? Do you know for a fact they are weak and miserable in real life?
Comentario de
gof22
If you don't care than why did you post?
Comentario de
gof22
Luck should not be needed for an achievement. If blizzard makes players rely on luck to get an achievement than it should be taken out and replaced with something different.
Comentario de
Alcasczar
Ok this achievement is the worst and will be the bane of me getting a drake cause in Stormstrike Battlegroup, the que times for horde are over an hour and a half long for ab, 2 hours for av not to mention the fact that alliance are camping every freaking area so we don't get this achievement.
Blizz really screwing us on this event. I won't be having the fast drake this year for damn sure.
Comentario de
Iceveiled
The only luck I've had getting these 4 PvP things done was when both sides agreed to let it happen and NOT through natural battleground PvP.
In AB the entire horde team capped the flag at the mine then stood around with their orphans out. Their intentions were pre