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Comentario de DavisTNT

Los Sello de destino templado pueden ser usados para conseguir una tira extra personal en los jefes de mundo y de banda.
Puedes tener un máximo de 10, y conseguir un máximo de 3 por semana.
Puedes conseguir uno a la semana en Búnker enano / Molino de guerra Nivel 3 / Molino de guerra, nivel 3
Puede ser recompensa de las misiones de seguidores Drov el Arruinador y Rukhmar.
Y proximamente (no implementado de momento)
Pueden comprarse en Ashran a (H)Tuercedestinos Tiklal y (A)Tuercedestinos Seresspor Cristal apexis(1000/2000/4000), por Recursos de la ciudadela(300/600/1200), por Oro(500/1000/2000) o por (500/1000/2000).

Comentario de 1409900

Aquí pueden ver donde se encuentra el vendedor de los sellos: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMz8VMPZsrk

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Comentario de Baracuda

The first bonus roll item for Warlords of Draenor.

Comentario de Calesta

Fate-Twister Seress offers four (4) ways to obtain your three (3) Seal of Tempered Fate per week to be used for bonus rolls during raids. Some follower missions in your garrison also reward seals and currently don't appear to count against your weekly total.

The cost per seal increases each time you repeat a quest that uses the same currency. Please note that the costs have been fluctuating in the beta build to build; I'll keep this updated to reflect the changes.

Quests	Cost per Seal
Sealing Fate: Apexis Crystals	1000 / 2000 / 4000 Apexis Crystals
Sealing Fate: Garrison Resources	300 / 600 / 1200 Garrison Resources
Sealing Fate: Gold	500 / 1000 / 2000 Gold
Sealing Fate: Honor	500 / 1000 / 2000 Honor Points

Comentario de TheStatman

6.1 - New mission to get one of these - .

Also appears to be a reward from a rare garrison follower missions Drov el Arruinador, and Rukhmar.

You can get more than 3 seals in 1 week. I got one of these follower missinos on the beta, then went over and was able to do the 3 weekly quests for seals, so 4 in one day. Depending on how lucky in a week you get with follower missions, you might be able to get 5 or more seals in one week.

Comentario de KelaniScar

Video detailing their acquisition can be found here.

For Horde players you'll need to visit Fate-Twister Tiklal in Warspear. Alliance players will need to see Fate-Twister Seress.

You can complete quests from these NPCs to gain your seals which require gold, honor, garrison resources or apexis crystals. The amount doubles each time you use a currency each week.

Cost per seals:

500 / 1000 / 2000 Gold
500 / 1000 / 2000 Honor
300 / 600 / 900 Garrison Resources
1000 / 2000 / 4000 Apexis Crystals

They can also be obtained from a Level 3 War Mill / Dwarven Bunker (Garrison Building) as well as some rare follower missions.

Comentario de Pinkiepieisfly

The vendor(s) for this is currently not in game. I have no doubt they'll add him soon, but don't go looking for him as of 11/06/14 because he won't be there (yet.)

Comentario de meganerd18

"You can use these Seals for a chance at bonus loot from Highmaul and Blackrock Foundry. As Highmaul does not open until December 2nd, you can collect 6 Seal of Tempered Fate in the two weeks beforehand."

This comment should be removed, because no you can't. The vendor's not there, and I imagine, as others have noted, that he won't be there until the raids open.

Comentario de 1135899

The really relevant question is: If you get no Raid Loot, what else are you rewarded? Want check if it is worth getting one free Seal from Warmill Bunker on Alts for pfofit.

Comentario de rogueninja

What I'm curious about is how big of a chance is this for gear or will i be wasting 500+ gold for a 90% chance at 30-40 gold?

Comentario de gmdwight

@Bashiok Tweeted:
"FYI Missions that reward a Seal of Tempered Fate don't count toward weekly cap (3), like the one from the Bunker/Mill does."

Comentario de Vezon64

Quick question:
If you decide to buy the Seals, can you use one form of currency, and the next tier you can use another one (like 1 seal for 500g, and the next seal for 2000 apexis crystals)?

Comentario de XGDragon

Another question. If I just do the gold quests, don't these three seals just cost 500 + 1000 + 2000 a week? Doesn't seem worth it to upgrade my Dwarven Mill for this..

Comentario de Kagg

For horde players, go to that small stretch of land that has the empty house. SHABAM!

Comentario de DumbButt

Horde players can get these quests from Fate-Twister Tiklal

Comentario de 1410735

They move the NPC closer to the Apexis vendor in the dec 5 hotfix just a FYI!

Comentario de 180278

I didn't play Pandera (quit during Cata & am recently returned). How, exactly, are these used? What is a "bonus roll?"

Comentario de corners

Its far easier to come up with 500g and faster than it would be to give any of the other stuff in honor, apexis crystals or garrison resources.

Comentario de Malestryx

This vendor has moved. For those of you who have coords, he is now located at 64,61.

Comentario de fgg850

I got one of these today, but where does it go? Not in my bags, not in my spellbook...

Comentario de Altruin

To find out how many seals you already aquired this week run the following macro.
It will also count the seal you can get from your Molino de guerra, nivel 3.

/run local c=0; for i,q in ipairs({36054,36055,36056,36057,36058,36060,37453,37452,37454,37455,37456,37457,37458,37459}) do if (IsQuestFlaggedCompleted(q)) then c=c+1 end end print(format("Seals: %d", c))

Comentario de Aerynsun8449

So, if I'm reading the above comments correctly, this is a system that is mainly (well, solely) usable for pvp players as the turn in (vendor) is in pvp land Ashran? Is that correct?

Comentario de Pzypro

I thought the plan behind making these sort of expensive to obtain was to make them more rewarding. Now it could be just me but these seem as useless (very low success %) as ever...

Comentario de 1100895

if anyone is wondering what the odds of getting gear from the extra rolls are, its low, seems to be the same odds that we had in mop. so far I have used 5 seals and only got gold each time, average of 29 gold per roll, I used a mix of gold and garrison resources to obtain them, so it seems to be a waist of hard earned gold and resources

Comentario de Shisatsu

All of these comments and I can't find one explaining how in the world you use the seals? :)
I haven't gotten hold on one of the seals yet. But I'm still interested in how I will be able to use them once I can obtain one.

Comentario de vaalseun

If you already have 10, the vendor would not think twice of taking your currency and giving you nothing, not even a confirmation

Comentario de Suring

7 seals and 7 times gold. So yeah, chances are pretty slim, when on my main i have gotten gear from bonus rolls 2 times out of 16.

Comentario de santipants

Odds of seals working are same as in MoP, which are hilariously slim. So far 2 seals out of 9 which comes out to be %^&*ty% rate for how much they make us give for them, unlike in MoP where seals were literally the only thing charms were good for.

Comentario de robber235

What I'm now curious about is how these rolls work with BoE loot. Specifically, The Butcher in Highmaul drops some BoE items. Are these possible to get on a bonus roll?

Comentario de Benjammin006

Can you bonus roll loot from the same boss on the same difficulty multiple times per week?
For example : I kill Heroic Gruul, get regular loot, use my bonus roll. Then I join a different group kill Heroic Gruul again, and use another bonus roll.
I've heard from many people that it works like that, but also many people say it does not work. Looking for clarification.

Comentario de stickshift

Once you have the maximum (10) Seals do the follower missions awarding the Seals stop appearing in the same way that the player experience missions stop appearing once you hit level 100?

Update: Now that the max you can carry is (20) has there been any change in what happens when you complete a successful mission and have no room for more? I do all missions for every bit I can squeeze out of my salvage yard, but don't run raids. I want to avoid being forced to use my Seals in order to clear the mission off the board.

Comentario de Pastortom

Some info in this post is wrong.

You can get more than 3 seals per week, through follower missions that reward these.

Also, something that I personally find very odd is that if you through the garrison building aquire the free per week seal, you cant buy more than 2 from the Ashran trader. It should clearly be beneficial and give an advantage to have this building at lvl 3, not a disadvantage.

My 2 cents atleast.

Comentario de 1403653

I just bought 2 seals before I remembered that I already reached limit. Just in case I forgot I used 2 of them I opened currency tab to see that I indeed have 10 of them and bought one more seal for 500g so yeah be careful if you hoard them. It probably should be unavaible to buy after you have 10/10, for now I'll have to be cautious.

Comentario de 1432163

Do these allow you an extra chance at the ruhkmar mount?

Comentario de 1450810

Do these seals works for all "personal loot" from the killed boss.
Even weapons?

Comentario de Ephoria

Anyone else having trouble getting the missions for these?
I had one of the missions 34 days ago, the other one 51 days ago.
Since then I haven't had neither of the missions again, and at this point it feels like I'm losing a bonus roll each reset.

Comentario de scorpion8125

If you have all the LFR level gear or better you can get, is there any reason to blow gold or resources on these?

If not, I'll just save them until I get into heroic level raids, which won't be soon because I'm not in a raiding guild.

Comentario de Brif

Will these work in 6.2 or will there be a new bonus roll currency for Hellfire Citadel?

Comentario de 1056317

Personally I'm just gonna stop wasting my gold/crystals/resources on these as I seem to be getting gold about 9 times out of 10...and it's a pitiful amount of gold at that, usually around 20G or so.

Comentario de Bazzazu

New name: Seal of Tempered Gold (Usually not much either)

Comentario de Evenuel

You can only receive 3 seals per week, so having Búnker enano / Molino de guerra Nivel 3 does not give an extra Sello de destino templado, it just gives You one for free if You haven't already gotten 3 this week.
So best advice: every reset visit Your bunker/mill, take Your free seal and only then think about other options like buying from seal vendors (quests, I mean) or doing missions.

Comentario de Mercaproni

Will these have any use what so ever after today when 6.2 is live? I have some characters with 10 seals on them and never had a chance to use them..

Comentario de Eillesthis

Sello de destino inevitable is the new bonus roll currency for Ciudadela del Fuego Infernal, Señor supremo Kazzak, and Mythic dungeons. These still work for the older raids and world bosses. You can now buy as many of these as you like (no weekly cap) from Tuercedestinos Seress/Tuercedestinos Tiklal with gold, up to the new absolute cap of 20.

Comentario de 810169

300 gold... kinda steep for my alts. I wish there was an option to use their seemingly endless supply of garrison resources/apexis (from missions and cache) instead of gold. Kinda feels like I'm just trading 300g for a 21g consolation prize on my rolls. Oh well...

Comentario de bleukreuz

Oracuervos Thelnaas in Vol'mar or Lion's Watch in Tanaan sell this at discounted price according to your reputation with Order of the Awakened, so it is better to get them there instead of from the Fate-Twister in Ashran.

Comentario de jjanchan

***LEGION UPDATE: The new bonus roll currency for Legion launch is Sello de destino alterado. Also, Legion will increase the cap for Sello de destino inevitable from 10 to 20. This has preemptively been updated below.***

This is one of the extra roll currencies that were first introduced in Mists of Pandaria. It allows you to roll (at a cost of 1 currency per roll) for an extra chance at loot on certain world, raid or dungeon bosses.

This extra loot is granted directly to the person rolling and is not part of the group/party's loot for that boss. The majority of the time the roll does not yield loot - when this is the case, gold is granted instead. Certain currencies also can grant pets or mounts as part of the bonus loot - this will vary depending on boss (a list of mounts and pets you can bonus roll for is listed later in this comment).

There is protection for bad luck on bonus rolls. As per a blue post:

Whenever you use a bonus roll and you don’t get any loot, your chance of getting loot on the next roll will increase. This increased probability won’t be reset until some loot is awarded, and this is independent of the boss that is being killed.
The bad luck streak protection will carry over and continue to increase the probability from boss to boss and instance to instance and won't reset until you get some loot.

For all currencies, World Bosses will only allow a single roll a week. This can be on any kill - if you kill a boss more than once and pass on rolling the first time, you will still have the option of doing so on a subsequent kill that week.
For most currencies you can kill bosses in a single or multiple lockouts/difficulties (kill a boss on both Heroic and Normal, or a Heroic boss twice) to also get a bonus roll chance EACH time. For example, you can kill Gruul on Heroic difficulty twice, and while you will be able to get loot directly from the boss only once, you can bonus roll both times for extra chances at loot.
The above is NOT true for Mythic raids however - those lockouts prevent you from doing multiple bosses in one week.

The currencies listed can be found on the currency tab in your character screen. Below is a table summarizing the currency types, including sources for each.
NOTE: NPC locations can be seen on a by mousing over the zone name in the "Source" column.

Legion
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Sello de destino alterado	Obtainable (maximum 3 per week) from Archimago Lan'dalock (Dalaran - Legion) for various currencies, as below.	1st	2nd	3rd
Gold	1000	2000	4000
Order Resources	1000	2000	4000

Bastión Nocturno
Pesadilla Esmeralda
Mythic dungeons
Legion World Bosses:
Ana-Mouz
Calamir
Drugon el Sangrescarcha
Derrelicto
Humongris
Levantus
Na'zak el Maligno
Nithogg
Shar'thos
The Soultakers
J'im Marchito

Warlords of Draenor
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Sello de destino templado	A) Sold by vendors: Buscalba Krisek (Tanaan Jungle) - 240-300g* Oracuervos Thelnaas (Tanaan Jungle) - 240-300g* Tuercedestinos Seress (Stormshield) - 300g Tuercedestinos Tiklal (Warspear) - 300g *NOTE - Cost from vendors in Tanaan vary with reputation level with Orden de los Despiertos, with lowest cost being 240g at Exalted reputation. B) Obtained from garrison missions: Drov el Arruinador Rukhmar	Ogrópolis Fundición Roca Negra Draenor World Bosses: Drov el Arruinador Tarlna el Eterno Rukhmar	20
Sello de destino inevitable	A) One per week can be obtained from Búnker enano / Molino de guerra Nivel 3 in your garrison. Speak to Grun'lek (H)/Kristen Forjapiedra (A) to obtain your weekly seal. *NOTE - This seal counts as 1 of the maximum 3 seals you can obtain per week. B) Obtainable (maximum 3 per week) from Tuercedestinos Tiklal (Warspear)/Tuercedestinos Seress (Stormshield) for various currencies, as below.	1st	2nd	3rd
Gold	500	1000	2000
Garrison Resources	1000	2000	4000
Apexis Crystals	500	1000	2000

*NOTE - If you already obtained 1 from your Búnker enano / Molino de guerra Nivel 3, only 2 more can be obtained for currency that week.

C) One seal obtainable for completing the Timewalking Bonus Event quest Una senda ardiente a través del tiempo (during Burning Crusade Timewalking, Una senda helada a través del tiempo (during Wrath of the Lich King Timewalking) or Una senda en el tiempo fragmentada (during Cataclysm Timewalking). The seals are in addition to the 3 seals per week otherwise obtainable.

Ciudadela del Fuego Infernal
Tanaan Jungle World Boss:
Señor supremo Kazzak
Mythic Dungeons

Mists of Pandaria
Currency	Source	Eligible Raids/Bosses	Cap
Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna	A) Sold by Comandante Lo Ping in Townlong Steppes for the cost of 20 Talismán inferior de buena fortuna each. Use the following macro to purchase them quickly and easily: /run BuyMerchantItem(1,1) B) Dropped by various rare spawns and summoned mobs on the Isle of Thunder.	Cámaras Mogu'shan Corazón del Miedo Veranda de la Primavera Eterna Pandaria World Bosses: Galeón Sha de la ira	20
Runa del destino mogu	Sold by Tejedora de niebla Ai on the Timeless Isle for the cost of 1000 Moneda intemporal each.	Solio del Trueno Isle of Thunder World Boss: Nalak Isle of Giants World Boss: Oondasta	20
Sello forjado por la guerra	Weekly quest which grants 3 seals for the cost of 50 Talismán inferior de buena fortuna total. Sellos forjados por la guerra, available from Ancestro Liao, ground floor in Shrine of the Two Moons Sellos forjados por la guerra, available from Ancestro Lin, ground floor of Shrine of the Seven Stars	Asedio de Orgrimmar Timeless Isle World Bosses: Chi-Ji Xuen Yu'lon Niuzao Ordos	20

Below I have compiled some data on pets, mounts and other drops from bosses (both World and Raid bosses).
The "Bonus Roll" column notes whether the item in question is obtainable from a bonus roll (note that you can USE a bonus roll on all bosses, but you will not necessarily be able to get certain pets and mounts on the bonus roll).
NOTE: World Boss locations can be seen on a by mousing over the zone name in the "Source" column.

MOUNTS
Mount	Source	Bonus Roll Mount	Currency
Riendas del dragón nimbo astral	Elegon Raid Boss Cámaras Mogu'shan Normal, Heroic	No	-
Silla de montar del hijo de Galeón	Galeón World Boss Valley of the Four Winds	Yes	Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna
Riendas del dragón nimbo ónice célico	Sha de la ira World Boss Kun-Lai Summit	Yes	Talismán ancestral de buena fortuna
Engendro de Horridonte	Horridonte Raid Boss Solio del Trueno Normal, Heroic	No	-
Cría de Ji Kun	Ji Kun Raid Boss Solio del Trueno Normal, Heroic	No	-
Riendas del dragón nimbo de cobalto tronador	Nalak World Boss Isle of Thunder	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Riendas del cuernoatroz primario de cobalto	Oondasta World Boss Isle of Giants	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Gigante Kor'kron	Garrosh Grito Infernal Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar Mythic	No	-
Destructor uñaférrea	Puño Negro Raid Boss Fundición Roca Negra Mythic	No	-
Halcón saeta del sol	Rukhmar World Boss Spires of Arak	No	-
Aniquilador de acero vil	Archimonde Raid Boss Ciudadela del Fuego Infernal Mythic	No	-
Núcleo infernal viviente	Gul'dan Raid Boss Bastión Nocturno Normal, Heroic, Mythic	No	-
Núcleo de Fuego Infernal maligno	Gul'dan Raid Boss Bastión Nocturno Mythic	No	-

PETS
Pet	Source	Bonus Roll Pet	Currency
Drop: Cuernoatroz pigmeo Pet: Cuernoatroz pigmeo	Horridonte Raid Boss Solio del Trueno LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Drop: Arenizo viviente Pet: Arenizo viviente	Council of Elders Raid Boss Solio del Trueno LFR	Yes*	Runa del destino mogu *NOTE: In Normal or Heroic mode, this drops from Elemental de arena trash mobs and cannot be bonus rolled.
Drop: Prole de Ji Kun Pet: Prole de Ji Kun	Ji Kun Raid Boss Solio del Trueno LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Drop: Masa temblorosa Pet: Fluido viviente	Primordius Raid Boss Solio del Trueno ONLY LFR	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Drop: Masa temblorosa oscura Pet: Horror viscoso	Primordius Raid Boss Solio del Trueno ONLY Normal and Heroic	No	-
Drop: Hijo de Animus Pet: Hijo de Animus	Animus oscuro Raid Boss Solio del Trueno LFR, Normal, Heroic	Yes	Runa del destino mogu
Drop: Brote de sha pegajoso Pet: Brote de sha pegajoso	Sha del orgullo Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar ONLY LFR and Normal	Yes	Sello forjado por la guerra
Drop: Brote de Y'Shaarj Pet: Brote de Y'Shaarj	Sha del orgullo Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar ONLY Normal, Heroic and Mythic	Yes	Sello forjado por la guerra
Drop: Bombita Mechanegra Pet: Bombita Mechanegra	Asediador Mechanegra Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sello forjado por la guerra
Drop: Kovok Pet: Kovok	Paragons of the Klaxxi Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sello forjado por la guerra
Drop: Guardián del nido corrupto Pet: Guardián del nido corrupto	Señor de las Sombras Iskar Raid Boss Ciudadela del Fuego Infernal LFR, Normal, Heroic, Mythic	Yes	Sello de destino inevitable

MISCELLANEOUS
Drop	Source	Bonus Roll	Currency
Tesoro de los chamanes Kor'kron (contains Kor'kron Dark Shaman Armor)	Kor'kron Dark Shaman Raid Boss Asedio de Orgrimmar Normal, Heroic, Mythic ONLY drops for Shamans	No	-

Comentario de Malfious

Shame you can't roll Rukhmar's mount from it like you can with the mop world bosses.. seems it will be pretty pointless come Legion

Comentario de grogir

Be sure to buy those at the Tanaan NPC since you get a reduced price, 240g when exalted

Comentario de Ledning

Can be bought from:

Alliance - Tuercedestinos Seress
Horde - Tuercedestinos Tiklal
Tanaan - Oracuervos Thelnaas

- these three vendors at their designated places.

The one in Tanaan gives a discount when exalted.

The price is 300 gold at the ally and horde vendor, 240 gold when exalted at the vendor in Tanaan.

Nice to have an extra roll at some transmog gear.

Comentario de gemini78

I've noticed that sometime during 9.1,
I haven't received any of my free weekly Sello de destino templado from my Level 3 Level 3 Dwarven Bunker / War Mill.
None of my many alts with a Level 3 Bunker either . NPC there just stopped offering it!

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