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Comentario de Mainman

The first time we've seen a Holy Shock proc on a Holy libram; every Wrath-level PvE libram before it has focused exclusively on Holy Light, and PvP ones have stuck to buffing the spellpower of Flash of Light.

Definitely a Libram you'd want to use for progression encounters, but not so much on easier fights, due to the mana inefficiency of Holy Shock; you would be better served using a Deadly Gladiator's Libram of Justice (or, if it becomes the new PvP 'minimum', the Furious version) or better, or perhaps one of the earlier PvE librams if you've still not understood that Blizz wants you to move away from Holy Light spam.

Comentario de 490256

Are you super serial? I'm a holy pally, and I only am forced to do holy light spams on heroic anub, that's it. I don't glyph for it nor would I use a libram for it. The http://www.wowhead.com/?item=47662 has its value, but other than that i'm straight pvp libram. Personally i'm stoked about this baby coming out, not as much SP as the pvp one but it's just pure SP, not just for FoL

Comentario de 225834

I wanted so much an upraged version of Libram of Renewel now that the new 4-set bonus of T10 gives us -0.3 cast time in Holy light. This will make the holy light spell 1.7 s cast time before haste (having in mind that we get a 0.5 s reduction from the tallent Light's Grace). My speculation is that, the best thing to do when this happens, is to have enough mana efficiancy to spam HL when the fights get tough (and they will be tough as hell for the healers in ICC). Dammit Blizzard do try to think about us Healadins once in a while.

Comentario de shipwrecksos

I'm going to attempt to rectify this entire argument about the Libram of Blinding Light vs the Libram of Renewal. (Can it be done...? wish me luck! :)

Assumptions:
1. You are, in fact, an experienced healadin that is well geared. (at LEAST full T7.5)
2. You are specced / gemmed properly. (intellect baby!)
3. You've done your homework and know the ideal healing rotations from plain ole 5 man heroics all the way up to 25 man hard modes.
4. You're not pugging, but are running with an equally well geared / specced guild that knows what they are doing in the fights.

So, looking at these two librams, the biggest debate is whether it makes a healadin's life easier to have more spellpower or more mana efficency. The answer is..., YES! However, each extreme shines under completely different circumstances.

When spell power is better (Libram of Blinding Light):
--> During heroic 5 man trash / bosses, 10 man trash / minor bosses, 25 man trash. Spellpower works wonders in these easy fights, and most pallies can get by with a relatively small amount of Holy Light spamming. With high spell power, a healadin can use Holy Shock and Flash of Light with one eye closed while eating a peanut butter sandwich, and still keep the group alive. Having more mana in this case is not an issue, because your mana will rarely drop below 60-70% with this method. This is why some healadins have even used librams such as the Deadly Gladiator's Libram of Justice (a PVP libram) in these scenarios.

When mana efficiency is better (Libram of Renewal):
--> During 10 man major bosses, 25 man bosses, any fight that has a large amount of sustained AOE damage (even down to the Black Knight in H ToTC). In these scenarios using Holy Shock and Flash of Light simply will not cut it if you want to keep people alive. The easiest thing to do is use Holy Light continuously (not a mindless spam, mind you) while trying to keep that mana pool of yours as deep and full as possible. Having more spellpower doesn't help in the slightest in these cases, because you're generally doing a lot of overhealing to your target (especially when you crit) so that extra spellpower is never seen. In these scenerios you have one goal... longevity. This is why Intellect is our primary stat. Simply put, if your mana bar can outlast the enemies health bar, you win! Good luck on your loot rolls : )

Now..., with all possible scenarios considered.

Here's the simplest solution: Stick with the Libram of Renewal. You'll be able to sustain heals through long fights, and will have an easy healing strategy. This is also wonderful for fresh 80's trying to progress as they gear up because it's obtainable early and it makes low mana pools more forgiving.

Here's the most powerful solution: If you really want to top the healing charts for effective healing, use Libram of Blinding Light exclusively and alter your rotation a bit for hard encounters. Add a Holy Shock to your rotation once at least once every 15 seconds with this libram, but be sure to avoid overhealing if at all possible. This requires good timing and a large mana pool (both of which you should have if you've been able to raise the 30 Emblem of Frost needed to get this Libram). Although this is not necessarily the easiest solution, it will keep your group alive even through the most difficult fights in the game (regarding both AOE damage and single target burst damage), and as mentioned before, it still serves as a superior libram in the easier content as well.

Here's the best overall solution: Get both the Libram of Blinding Light AND Libram of Renewal. They're both BIS for their respective scenarios, and you can switch them out at any time with simple macro.

Hope this helped clear the air a bit! Rate me up if this helped in any way..., It took a while to type up and my fingers are tired....

Comentario de 182187

Also note the synergy with the new holy paladin 4-piece set bonus - see for example Lightsworn Tunic:

Your Holy Shock spell causes the next Holy Light you cast within 10 sec to have 0.3 sec reduced cast time.

So that's one more reason to discard Libram of Veracity, once you can afford to spend the Frost emblems on Libram of Blinding Light.

Comentario de Dredmon

pervertly fast

You sir have confused paladins for priests...

Comentario de 6913

Just because this is item level 264 doesn't mean it's better than the ilvl 200 libram. I've seen so many people waste badges on this garbage instead of buying tier gear. Stop.

Comentario de PalliEchoIsles

Please, I behest you to post a video of you healing Lord Marrowgar and Fester Gut in 25 man ICC with only Flash of Light and Holy Shock and still be anywhere near the top in the healing charts. I'd even settle for a video of you tank healing Lord Marrorgar in 10 ICC using Flash of Light / Holy Shock. Sure Holy Shocks are needed when running from fire, but I don't see how Flash of Light is going to cut it. That is, unless you are one of the healadins I've ran with that Flash of Light spam in ICC and then claim you still did your part when your healing percentage is 8% and mine is 30%, which has happened to me before. Thanks, but no thanks, I'd rather of tank healed 10 ICC by myself and not had you roll on loot.

I'm sure this will be down ranked because it provides no valuable input to the discussion, but as least curious people will read it when it's hidden. :)

Comentario de 540417

Dear Paladins,

I recently bought this libram, and I have been doing some research on it. Despite the theory crafting surrounding which trinket is more useful in each situation. This trinket works in conjunction with the 4 piece t10. It gives sheer SP, which is great, mana should not be an issue for any high-end paladin.

I have created some macros to have this trinket proced on you at all times (x3), while spamming Holy Light. I am open to more suggestions..

#showtooltip Holy Light
/castsequence Holy Light, Holy Light, Holy Light, Holy Shock
/console Sound_EnableSFX 1
/script UIErrorsFrame:Clear()

Basically the cast sequence is three Holy Lights, and then one instant Holy Shock. After three spams of Holy Light, it will automatically throw in a Shock. This ensures that your Holy Shock will not be on cooldown and it will provide the maximum effect of the Libram.

Comentario de 351061

I know it's highly frowned upon, but for about 4-5 of my sockets I've given up INT to get SP. 3 Runed Dragon's Eyes and 1 for a socket bonus in TOGC 10 cape. I also use 2 Solace of The Fallen. I've yet to go OOM in any ICC raiding situation and have had several fights end in my mana being at 32/35k raid buffed. If I were to go resocket those gems to int and pick up good old int trinkets I would definitely consider this libram as it's the opposite of what I've chosen minus my MP5 from said Solace's. 42K-45k Mana with a constant 255 SP would be nice in that position if you can't get ahold of 2 Solace's. But to each their own on how they play the class. 2 piece T10 with raids buffs pushing my sp to around 3.8-4k means mmm mm 40k holy lights with all CDs. But again this is an opinion of where this libram could be used in a nice manner. I could never afford the 758 mana every 15 seconds to keep it stacked vs the 12 some holy lights i'd be casting in that time. >.<

Comentario de shipwrecksos

Given the unpredictable "whack-a-mole" nature of healing (especially if you're using addons like clique/grid to perform heals), it is highly unrecommended to use castsequence macros for healing spells for several reasons:

Reason One --> Haste Rating/Haste Enhancing Talents/Glyphs: There are way too many factors with haste concerning casting speed and global cooldown to accurately measure what your time will be for multiple casts in a row, especially if you're using an on-use or proc-based gear piece that enhances haste, such as The Egg of Mortal Essence that would cause your haste to fluctuate. Add in talent factors such as Light's Grace and Judgements of the Pure , and you have an even harder time estimating how many Holy Light s you can actually get in before Holy Shock is available to cast again. The Glyph of Holy Shock and the T10 set bonus also add to the complexity. These factors can cause "downtime" in your rotation while trying to calculate Cast-Time abilities with Cooldown abilities.

Reason Two --> Mana Inefficiency: Holy Shock is the least mana-efficient healing spell that healadins have. The Libram of Blinding Light gives 15 seconds of leeway before the buff falls off, so in order to maximize your mana efficiency you need to cast Holy Shock as close to the buff cut-off time as possible to keep it active. Making a macro to cast Holy Shock as EARLY as possible would be completely counter-productive in this regard, and as mentioned in reason one, the more Holy Light s you cast in a row, the harder it becomes to estimate how many you could ideally put into a cast sequence before needing to cast the next Holy Shock due to the many haste-altering factors you have to deal with.

Reason Three --> Reduced Level of Control: Holy Shock by design was meant to be an "oh crap!" spell only to be used when you are forced to heal while moving, or need to save someone with critically low HP in order to have time to get off a Holy Light . This is why we have the talent Infusion of Light , which many healadins sadly fail to maximize the use of. You can either use the 20% increased crit chance for Holy Light to help ensure that a toon will be topped off again as quick as possible if you're in a stable situation, or you can use the subsequent instant Flash of Light if on the move. A castsequence macro will remove this versatility in your control, causing your Holy Shock to either be on cooldown OR unavailable because it's still multiple casts down the line when you need it the most!

Our conclusion...? Castsequence macros are counter-productive for healing spells and should not be used.

Hope this helps everyone. Good luck!

Comentario de coolwhips

this is pure crap i use the 245 but indeed i should be using the 113 less mana one. a good pally does not spam holy shock it is a waste of mana and it heals like flash of light.

Comentario de 360629

There is NEVER a good reason to cast Holy Shock on (competitive) PVE content:

Holy Shock heals for less than half as much as Holy Light while using 2/3 as much mana.
The +30% crit to Holy Light proc is worthless with the Illumination nerf, as you end up losing more mana from casting the inefficient Holy Shock than you save from the potential (double RNG) Illumination proc!
An instant Flash of Light takes the same amount of time as a regular FoL, you just get to cast it while moving. The number of situations where you would both need and could get away with a Holy Shock/FoL combo on tank = 0. Never mind that it's not even a guarantee that it'll proc.
No tank (again, in competitive content) is going to be saved by the dinky heal you get from Holy Shock, though they might die because you wasted a GCD on it.

Holy Shock is both extremely mana inefficient to cast and results in less healing done overall. Neither this Libram nor the set bonus will change those realities. Holy Shock just plain sucks.

Comentario de 535137

This is a pvp libram... Imo... im pvp holy 2v2 and 3v3... and i personally dont use holy light... so this libram is great to increase spellpower and give more absorption to http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53601

Comentario de Elessa

To all the Holy paladins saying that they never go OOM.
STOP USING PLEA ON CD. GO WITH LESS HEALERS.
There is no level of gear where you can heal any fight without using divine plea, you stack intellect and mp5 to minimize the use of plea. YES, you COULD be fine using plea every CD, but then you would risk a tank death (or any raid member death) everytime you use it!
Paladins gear for regen because it minimizes the risk of people dying.

Comentario de 193408

I see too many paladins getting this libram simply to increase their gear scores. It's such a waste of frost emblems.

Comentario de draemen

I fully agree with anyone saying Libram of Blinding Light is inferior to Libram of Renewal. I will admit I do use HS for certain situations when its needed, seeing how I'm under the haste cap atm. But for the most part, I use HL for all ICC fights.

I find with the reduction in HL cost, it'll go down to about 1100 mana if you also you the Glyph of Seal of Wisdom, and the fact when Seal of Wisdom on you can go right up behind any ICC boss and hit away for mana regen, I get about 1100-1300 mana per hit, so on fights where I can be next to the boss, I basically get free HLs.

So Blizz does need to look at how Pallies are gearing up for healing, and shouldn't force us to try and use items and set bonuses that don't really help us.

Comentario de 344754

No ones bothered to mention uptime for these. Veracity is a chance on casting holy light, presumably with an internal cooldown. I found a log of my alt doing 25 toc and the uptime ranged from 18% to 48% depending on the difficulty of the boss and thus how often I used flash of light vs holy light. Renewal is passive, and thus 100% uptime. Blinding Light can be anywhere from 0% to 100%, controlled by you. So you could make the argument that comparing Blinding Light to Veracity isnt 255 vs 234 but rather 255*1.00 vs 234*0.5 or something. On a movement heavy fight I could see this being BiS.

Comentario de Zxerion

This libram is fairly bad right now; however with the increased importance of Holy Shock come Cataclysm I wonder if it will be useful then.

Comentario de eAiur

Changed in the Cataclysm beta to:

Libram of Blinding Light
Binds when picked up
Relic Relic
+77 Stamina
+51 Intellect
Red Socket
Classes: Paladin
Requires Level 80
Item Level 264
Equip: Improves critical strike rating by 34.
Equip: Improves haste rating by 34.

http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/august/relicslots.jpg

Comentario de Glitzero

This is how this item was like before it became a grey trash.

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Binds when picked up
Unique
Relic Libram
Requires level 80
Item level 264
Equip: Your Choque Sagrado heals grants 85 spell power
for 15 seconds. Stacks up to 3 times.
Gear score: 156

Costed 30 Emblema de escarcha, sold by Magister Arlan in Dalaran.

Used to be used by holadins.

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