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Battle for Azeroth Community Opinions: Class Changes and State of Demon Hunters

publicado 01/05/2018 a las 00:00 por Squishei

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Comentario de 1505947 This post was from a user who has deleted their account. Comentario de OrferVan Why is Blizzard going so hardcore on making tanks overly reliable to healers?\r
If I wanted to die and wipe everytime a healer messes up I would go dps, also this really screws tanks over as far as questing, WQs, soloing content etc. is concerned.\r
Tuning Raid bosses not based on how well the tank can respond, but how well the tank's healers do is not only convoluted and problematic at heart, but will also completely change the value dynamic between healers and dps\/tanks, and the amount of things healers are supposed to do at the same time, but maybe that's what Blizzard wants.\r
As long as I am concerned, as a tank main, this is a bad change tho, and healers should feel threatened too, with bad tuning the 4 unlucky bastards healing, will have the whole raid group's full weight on them because of bad tuning on mitigations. Comentario de Nahela They just went through and talked about how they don't want tanks to worry about staying alive, but on fight management. Doing so by leaving a tank's survivability up to others is definitely not the way to go about it. Comentario de OrferVan They just went through and talked about how they don't want tanks to worry about staying alive, but on fight management. Doing so by leaving a tank's survivability up to others is definitely not the way to go about it.\r
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Lol, did they really? Comentario de Hexelyion They just went through and talked about how they don't want tanks to worry about staying alive, but on fight management. Doing so by leaving a tank's survivability up to others is definitely not the way to go about it.\r
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This is a poor implementatio of said idea. Comentario de kodora1316 ... healers should feel threatened too, with bad tuning the 4 unlucky bastards healing, will have the whole raid group's full weight on them because of bad tuning on mitigations.

As a healer I can say I\u2019m a bit worried for pugs (the only way I can raid). There\u2019s always a couple lf healers who aren\u2019t pulling their weight. Some of them even switch to dps specs, hoping nobody will notice once you\u2019re actually in the raid.

Hopefully this just results in useless healers being kicked more. That would be nice. Comentario de Sephiroth018 Thanks Blizz, you really make me think about abandoning my healing spec, which has been the main spec for most of my druids life. I don't want to go back to the times when a small error in healing meant a wipe. Comentario de Yveltus I really feel like they should've made Raddon's either a talent or flat out baseline. Running dungeons without it is a headache, making you deal burst AOE on a 45 second cooldown. Especially with the whole thing around Feast on the Souls being removed (making Chaos Nova pretty much useless) you'll always be looking at a 45 second cooldown. I hope blizz hears and listens to all the feedback because at this point the spec just looks weak and boring. Comentario de Killer90133 Fel eruption actually DID get a longer stun, it is now 4 sec up from 1 sec :D Pretty nice in PvP if u ask me Comentario de dlhak I have played havoc for all the three tiers of Legion, I really enjoyed it a lot, I could swap talents between solo gameplay and raid gameplay, but BfA will remove most of the artifact traits, it will also remove legendaries and tier sets, leaving this spec hollow, I was hoping Blizzard would add a secondary DPS spec to demon hunters to fill up that strange emptiness, but it didn't, they have shifted some talents, borrowed some talents and abilities from warriors and called that redesigned spec. I am not excited to play DH with a single dps spec, (and a single race option) Other classes have more variety, more options. Legendaries, tier sets and artifact traits made havoc very fun for me. removing that will make it any other class, minus a spec ! Comentario de jpm2621 Why is Blizzard going so hardcore on making tanks overly reliable to healers?\r
If I wanted to die and wipe everytime a healer messes up I would go dps, also this really screws tanks over as far as questing, WQs, soloing content etc. is concerned.\r
Tuning Raid bosses not based on how well the tank can respond, but how well the tank's healers do is not only convoluted and problematic at heart, but will also completely change the value dynamic between healers and dps\/tanks, and the amount of things healers are supposed to do at the same time, but maybe that's what Blizzard wants.\r
As long as I am concerned, as a tank main, this is a bad change tho, and healers should feel threatened too, with bad tuning the 4 unlucky bastards healing, will have the whole raid group's full weight on them because of bad tuning on mitigations.\r
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I couldn't agree more. Comentario de Xilph All of these tank changes are going to be extremely interesting for players like Mione (or myself, to a lesser degree) that enjoy solo'ing hard content. This is going to massively nerf the capabilities of many solo classes, and it looks like ranged DPS will be the way to go. Should be interesting to see how Mythic raiding gearing goes, considering the standard previously(to my knowledge) had been to funnel gear to the tanks and DPS first. Comentario de HugoCosta Well, I really like to play solo, and I'm finding DH a very fun class to play, hope DH and tank changes doesn't compromise the solo gameplay (farm) turning it impossible for those who really enjoy solo stuff. Comentario de benicusmac I really feel like they should've made Raddon's either a talent or flat out baseline. Running dungeons without it is a headache, making you deal burst AOE on a 45 second cooldown. Especially with the whole thing around Feast on the Souls being removed (making Chaos Nova pretty much useless) you'll always be looking at a 45 second cooldown. I hope blizz hears and listens to all the feedback because at this point the spec just looks weak and boring.\r
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They made it 30 seconds not 45 in BFA Comentario de irmos NERF TO DH\/LOCKS\/MONKS\/DRUIDS.....1 BUTTON DPS NERF...TIME TO START BE SKILLED...NOT BROKEN CLASS Comentario de neoslayyer NERF TO DH\/LOCKS\/MONKS\/DRUIDS.....1 BUTTON DPS NERF...TIME TO START BE SKILLED...NOT BROKEN CLASS\r
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No, its time to hang this dumpster fire of a game. The way this is headded, they are forcing vanilla style play on every player instead of making the vanilla servers. I do NOT want to go back to freaking GCD game play again. Being disabled and have been playing this game 14 years now, and am 55, without some castsequence macro's i will nt be able to keep up in PvE. The GCD changes should have only been for PvP, and in no way put in PvE!\r
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This new expansion is going to bork this game, and im glad because i can finally walk away and not feel guilty. Comentario de neoslayyer Hey BTW, wheres the HUNTER guide? I mean its the most broken class in Alpha\/Beta, and no guide? Guess they really are trying to kill off the hunter class. Comentario de InsanityEmbraced It is a nice wishlist, however it is exactly that - a wishlist of what should be done to make the class\/spec more powerful than others. While I do agree with many notes and they all make sense, seems they have been thought through, you guys seem to be missing the main point - many of the changes that you think are "for the worse" are actually intentional for the overall balance of the game.\r
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Take for an example Imprison. You stated that "This is consistent with Paralysis, but creates a conflict between abilities such as Polymorph, Sap, and Hibernate that still have no cooldown at all. Additionally, Hex and Freezing Trap have more moderate 30 second cooldowns. It would be nice to see more consistency here. As they all technically have 100% uptime on a single target, a longer cooldown only makes CC more difficult to apply when people accidentally break them."\r
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The downside you noted is actually the desired result. Polymorph has no CD but has downside - it heals the target. Sap requires stealth and arget being out of combat to work, so why add cooldown? Hibernate is irrelevant in PvP aspect of the game, could be even considered niche. So yeah, these already have drawbacks. Hex and Freezing Trap have moderate CD since they work on Humanoids, including player characters. You have to remember that incidental breaking of CC is something to be avoided and is part of the skill cap - you're not doing a good job if you break CC and as punishment you have to work with enemy that is free to attack you as a consequence, not just "reapply CC".\r
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And don't get me wrong, it is great that you put a lot of thought into this community opinion review, but it would be more beneficial if you pointed out what works, what doesn't work and what could use a tweak like you did in more than half of the work above (more so in Vengeance part, although Havoc isn't completely bad either) - just skip your wishlist, because trust me, every player has her\/his own wishlist that would make their class OP in comparison to others and most don't care.\r
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Try more to put yourselves in more than just one perspective. Other than that, very good job. Comentario de lordzexus Would be nice if they could fix daggers for Havoc too Blizzard said they could use them but really we can't even loot them unless we get a world drop. which is weird cause the Blizzcon they announced Demon Hunters it was on the list of usable weapons. Our whole rotation works with them except for 1 ability "Chaos Strike" looks like a bug because it's counter part in demon form uses daggers just fine. This wasn't bad in legion because of Artifact Weapons but could be very off putting for players in BFA that would actually like to try them with daggers since we were supposed to be able to use them in the first place. Comentario de EarthenRastlin \r
No, its time to hang this dumpster fire of a game. The way this is headded, they are forcing vanilla style play on every player instead of making the vanilla servers. I do NOT want to go back to freaking GCD game play again. Being disabled and have been playing this game 14 years now, and am 55, without some castsequence macro's i will nt be able to keep up in PvE. The GCD changes should have only been for PvP, and in no way put in PvE!\r
This new expansion is going to bork this game, and im glad because i can finally walk away and not feel guilty.\r
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Actually, the GCD changes has slowed down rotations if it's done anything. This should make it easier for someone to play the game. I'm not going to assume what your disability is but I can't imagine it's something where hitting buttons at a drastically reduced rate is going to be a harder thing. Take feral druids for instance. Instead of being able to do the entire burst rotation within a ~2 second window due to abilities being off the GCD it's now taking ~5. I haven't tried all the melee classes yet, but I can tell you right now that the action of putting more abilities on the GCD is likely to have the same effect on any class that relied upon a lot of off-GCD abilities in Legion.

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