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Sylvanas' Motivation and Parallels to Arthas in the BFA Pre-Patch

publicado 08/08/2018 a las 00:05 por perculia

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Comentario de ruddy Very interesting insight in to Sylvanas' character. I agree that there is something underlying because she was never this "evil, black\/white character" - that's why people like her. I think she's concerned with the motives of light and void and trying to prepare or prevent whatever that is. Comentario de Mightylorddk Good post. But according to "Before the storms", she didn't took the backseat during legion rather she spent her entire waking moments to fight against the legion. That's not my opinion, that's what the novel said. Comentario de Serendipity09 Good post. But according to "Before the storms", she didn't took the backseat during legion rather she spent her entire waking moments to fight against the legion. That's not my opinion, that's what the novel said.\r
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The undead and burning legion hate each other so it makes sense... it will be interesting if 'Death' is the third "faction" to join the ongoing conflict between the void and the light, Comentario de BoreasDragon Yes, the parallells to Arthas are veryobvious and hamfisted because they use the same angles, the same locations, and the flashbacks portray the same motivations. There isn't much more to say about it except for the purpose of adding unnecessary fluff and trying to extrapolate something deeper out of something shallow. The catalyst of this whole arc is nonsense; it's unobtanium serving as a macguffin with a contrived name like azerite as the reason for bringing back the faction war and doing away with the nuance and cooperation that's been going steadily for at least two expansions now.

It's literally just the war for oil warcraft edition. And people treating these characters like real people instead of things written by real people.

So much effort here for such bad writing courtesy of Blizzard, it's a shame. Comentario de perculia Good post. But according to "Before the storms", she didn't took the backseat during legion rather she spent her entire waking moments to fight against the legion. That's not my opinion, that's what the novel said.\r
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I meant that she took a backseat trying to antagonize the Alliance. I'll clarify. Comentario de BoreasDragon Good post. But according to "Before the storms", she didn't took the backseat during legion rather she spent her entire waking moments to fight against the legion. That's not my opinion, that's what the novel said.\r
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Does it matter? Ultimately not really, because it isn't in the game. If Blizzard can't present a coherent story in the game, then the game has bad storytelling. Comentario de perculia Good post. But according to "Before the storms", she didn't took the backseat during legion rather she spent her entire waking moments to fight against the legion. That's not my opinion, that's what the novel said.\r
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Does it matter? Ultimately not really, because it isn't in the game. If Blizzard can't present a coherent story in the game, then the game has bad storytelling.\r
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My statement was about her decision not to aggressively wage constant war against the Alliance, not whether or not she participated in Legion. Comentario de ayethe Go watch the voljin dies and makes her warchief video again voljin was shown the future he told us we wouldn't understand her actions but that she would save us Comentario de BoreasDragon Good post. But according to "Before the storms", she didn't took the backseat during legion rather she spent her entire waking moments to fight against the legion. That's not my opinion, that's what the novel said.\r
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Does it matter? Ultimately not really, because it isn't in the game. If Blizzard can't present a coherent story in the game, then the game has bad storytelling.\r
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My statement was about her decision not to aggressively wage constant war against the Alliance, not whether or not she participated in Legion.\r
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I wasn't replying to you about that I was replying to the other guy. But directed towards your writing I'd direct you to my previous comment further up. Frankly I don't think it's very hard to draw parallels when for example blizz literally copypasta'd a portion of the wc3 cutscene with arthas, it feels like this article is reaching for depth that isn't there. I don't disagree with your analysis but I disagree with the need for this in the first place. Comentario de perculia Good post. But according to "Before the storms", she didn't took the backseat during legion rather she spent her entire waking moments to fight against the legion. That's not my opinion, that's what the novel said.\r
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Does it matter? Ultimately not really, because it isn't in the game. If Blizzard can't present a coherent story in the game, then the game has bad storytelling.\r
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My statement was about her decision not to aggressively wage constant war against the Alliance, not whether or not she participated in Legion.\r
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I wasn't replying to you about that I was replying to the other guy. But directed towards your writing I'd direct you to my previous comment further up. Frankly I don't think it's very hard to draw parallels when for example blizz literally copypasta'd a portion of the wc3 cutscene with arthas, it feels like this article is reaching for depth that isn't there. I don't disagree with your analysis but I disagree with the need for this in the first place.\r
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A lot of people really enjoy these sorts of articles pointing out small details. We've been trying to do more of them recently and they've all been quite popular, with solid page views and time on page (that stat being important to show that people stay on the page reading, instead of losing interest in 10 sec). It's not for everyone, it's very rare for any user to be interested in every type of article on the site, but we think the site is in a great place to do articles like this with the constant emphasis on broadcast text, datamined cinematics, monthly lore recaps etc. Comentario de Peredhil Go watch the voljin dies and makes her warchief video again voljin was shown the future he told us we wouldn't understand her actions but that she would save us\r
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I watched it enough times. Apart from the fact people on death bed are not always coherent or can simply hallucinate, who can tell the entity influencing Vol'jin was really a loa or had Azeroth's best interest in mind? Comentario de perculia Go watch the voljin dies and makes her warchief video again voljin was shown the future he told us we wouldn't understand her actions but that she would save us\r
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I watched it enough times. Apart from the fact people on death bed are not always coherent or can simply hallucinate, who can tell the entity influencing Vol'jin was really a loa or had Azeroth's best interest in mind?\r
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I almost wonder if Sylvanas was mainpulating him as he was slipping towards death... Comentario de Pandafera The "first" Sylvanas' death wasn't by Arthas? \u00f5O\r
killed by arthas -1\r
suicide (tryied) - 2\r
...?... - 3\r
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I like Sylvanas a lot, since Warcraft 3. I'm so sorry for all this "hate of life" she has (warbringers), and for the curse she always say they have.\r
I'm so happy to see Jaina again, and so badass. ...I wanna be happy with Sylvanas, too. =(\r
I don't want see her dying as a villain - Garrosh was despicable, not her. If it is for her to die definitively, let it be with redemption.\r
She lived with honor, died once for her people, protecting Silvermoon. She deserves to regain that honor. She's part of the Horde, after all. Comentario de BoreasDragon Good post. But according to "Before the storms", she didn't took the backseat during legion rather she spent her entire waking moments to fight against the legion. That's not my opinion, that's what the novel said.

Does it matter? Ultimately not really, because it isn't in the game. If Blizzard can't present a coherent story in the game, then the game has bad storytelling.

My statement was about her decision not to aggressively wage constant war against the Alliance, not whether or not she participated in Legion.

I wasn't replying to you about that I was replying to the other guy. But directed towards your writing I'd direct you to my previous comment further up. Frankly I don't think it's very hard to draw parallels when for example blizz literally copypasta'd a portion of the wc3 cutscene with arthas, it feels like this article is reaching for depth that isn't there. I don't disagree with your analysis but I disagree with the need for this in the first place.

A lot of people really enjoy these sorts of articles pointing out small details. We've been trying to do more of them recently and they've all been quite popular, with solid page views and time on page (that stat being important to show that people stay on the page reading, instead of losing interest in 10 sec). It's not for everyone, it's very rare for any user to be interested in every type of article on the site, but we think the site is in a great place to do articles like this with the constant emphasis on broadcast text, datamined cinematics, monthly lore recaps etc.

I may not have access to the statistics of the site and have no reason to not believe what you're saying about the numbers regarding that, ultimately generating interest keeps the site up, but this specific kind of deep dive analysis for something that is pretty plainly laid-out already feels like it's trying to give blizzard more credit than it deserves. No, nobody can please everyone, but that's not the point either. The datamined information is definitely good as it can even save people money by being able to effectively preview content and choose to not keep playing and thus paying into something they don't like - yes, that would be myself in that group - but that's another topic.

I'm not sure if this site has ever been critical of a decision Blizzard has made in regards to the game or if it even is the place for it on the part of staff analysis,(I vaguely recall something about the high elf issue) but the catalyst to this entire arc is terribly flawed and moving forward with the material is glossing over that and gives the impression of taking it all and being onboard regardless. I don't imagine you agree - that's fine - but BfA if BfA was taking the game in such a good direction I don't believe some former employees @ blizzard even would be critical of it, much less someone like Metzen trying to damage control on social media and he's retired.

Lastly, regarding Elegy and the other novellas\/side material, once again I question if any of that content still matters since it's out of game. It certainly won't affect my game, and playing it alone which is the ultimate intent from the side material won't give me any of that. It's like when Aggra inexplicably showed up in Cata as if she'd always been there and it was assumed everyone knew her already - I didn't! - or things like Theramore, etc. That stuff might be in the past and unfair to challenge, but it's still happening right now, and that's a failing in the game's story presentation.

Edit: Additionally it was for quite a few months teased that we may not ever even find out who burned Teldrassil starting from Blizzcon onward, even though everyone suspected it would be (of course) Sylvanas. Facepalmed pretty hard from the "surprise" reveal being exactly who everyone thought it was in the first place.

I don't want see her dying as a villain - Garrosh was despicable, not her. If it is for her to die definitively, let it be with redemption.
She lived with honor, died once for her people, protecting Silvermoon. She deserves to regain that honor. She's part of the Horde, after all.

Garrosh was what Metzen wanted him to be in the end; a villain. That wasn't the original intent for him and this was discussed some years back. As far as Sylvanas deserving anything or any of that? Again, she'll deserve and get whatever the writers want her to be to push the story in the direction it's intended for gameplay reasons. The story is propping up things like War Mode, not the other way around. Comentario de Mightylorddk I meant that she took a backseat trying to antagonize the Alliance. I'll clarify.\r
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Indeed, that makes perfect sense. Thanks.\r
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Does it matter? Ultimately not really, because it isn't in the game. If Blizzard can't present a coherent story in the game, then the game has bad storytelling.\r
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Blizzard have a bad storytelling since WoD. Comentario de perculia The "first" Sylvanas' death wasn't by Arthas? \u00f5O\r
killed by arthas -1\r
suicide (tryied) - 2\r
...?... - 3\r
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I like Sylvanas a lot, since Warcraft 3. I'm so sorry for all this "hate of life" she has (warbringers), and for the curse she always say they have.\r
I'm so happy to see Jaina again, and so badass. ...I wanna be happy with Sylvanas, too. =(\r
I don't want see her dying as a villain - Garrosh was despicable, not her. If it is for her to die definitively, let it be with redemption.\r
She lived with honor, died once for her people, protecting Silvermoon. She deserves to regain that honor. She's part of the Horde, after all.\r
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I was going by the three sacrifices of the Val'kyr - first after suicide, then second due to the bullet in Silverpine, leaving only one more death remaining (as it takes 3 valkyr to bring her back to life). Comentario de ggvankov Anduin and Sylvanas would make such a nice couple. Comentario de Arthustinus thank you perc allaince player really hate to believe this theory they want sylvanas to be the super villain
Iam alliance myself yet I see sylvanas as the Illidan story arc (sacrificed every thing)

Perhaps this quote means that if Sylvanas dies one more time, she cannot be resurrected again and will fail in her mission of Undeath, which is a threat to the Void.

this one is a very good view to make the speculation almost the right case

holy - - - - - void
arcane - - - - - fel
life - - - - - - death

with the arcane(pantheon) & fel (legion) out of the equation and since life is too weak against the void (the void love life, they want to control it) its so obvious that a the void's enemy is death

(not the holy tho cause for some reasons light and void are the same in nature) holy spells do not harm void creatures ingame

I would like to mention that the light also seeks some kind of holy undead (caila menthel short story)
so you have the forsaken undead and holy undead vs the void forces Comentario de Utigarde The "first" Sylvanas' death wasn't by Arthas? \u00f5O\r
killed by arthas -1\r
suicide (tryied) - 2\r
...?... - 3\r
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I like Sylvanas a lot, since Warcraft 3. I'm so sorry for all this "hate of life" she has (warbringers), and for the curse she always say they have.\r
I'm so happy to see Jaina again, and so badass. ...I wanna be happy with Sylvanas, too. =(\r
I don't want see her dying as a villain - Garrosh was despicable, not her. If it is for her to die definitively, let it be with redemption.\r
She lived with honor, died once for her people, protecting Silvermoon. She deserves to regain that honor. She's part of the Horde, after all.\r
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I was going by the three sacrifices of the Val'kyr - first after suicide, then second due to the bullet in Silverpine, leaving only one more death remaining (as it takes 3 valkyr to bring her back to life).\r
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I don't think that's quite confirmed as needed for all resurrections. Cataclysm questing wasn't the most concrete, and I mostly saw all three as, from a lore reason, due to the nature of her death, body destroyed so much by a blow to the head, and from a design reason, as simply wanting to remove all three to tie up loose ends. \r
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I wouldn't read too much into the numbers, otherwise she'd have no resurrections left, as she'd require more val'kyr than three for her next death. Comentario de BoreasDragon
Does it matter? Ultimately not really, because it isn't in the game. If Blizzard can't present a coherent story in the game, then the game has bad storytelling.

Blizzard have a bad storytelling since WoD.

I would Argue since Cata as that was when things started to get a fundamental shift into a very different feel for the game. That being said, Illidan was handled absolutely awful by just serving as a raid boss to apparently fill the slot that was needed, same with Kael. A lot of people like to talk about the writers having Horde favoritism, when many of their good aligned characters end up into maniacs or jerks.

Regarding WoD though, I distinctly recall the murky sense it made to even have this inserted to canon and the response was... Don't think too hard about it. Now, it is returning according to the datamines by way of the "Mag'Har" orcs now being playable, and if the leaked content is accurate then Yrel is going to be yet another disposable character put into the role of villain just to serve the gameplay, and have a "light" badguy. Other thing is the Mag'har didn't exist as a concept in AU Draenor, until Blizzard writers decided they did; they existed and presumably still exist on Outland.

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